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Rick Porcello was the Tigers 1st rd. 27th pick. He went towards the end of the 1st rd. mainly because of the signing issue.

I know Bud Selig does not want teams who pick lower in the draft to be giving top signing bonuses but this one is unbelieveable.

The 7.3 mil. is the highest rookie signing bonus ever (pretty sure). They say only 4 teams could afford to pay for the demands he was making and thats why he dropped so far.

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They need to take a page from the NBA. Cap the contracts for draft picks and make them earn the big bucks by making it to the bigs and being successful. The MLBPA won't like it, but if the league frames the issue in a way that makes them realize that paying less money to high schoolers in the draft will free up more money for veteran contracts.

They also need to make the draft a worldwide draft. With so much talent coming from overseas, I think that the fact that anybody not from the US is a free agent is the biggest competitive inequity facing the game right now - bigger than the lack of a salary cap or the revenue gap between large and small market teams.
 
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I don't think the draft is any more broken than the rest of the MLB system and you can't ever do the things you need to do to fix it, the players union is too strong.
 
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Jaxbuck;903680; said:
I don't think the draft is any more broken than the rest of the MLB system and you can't ever do the things you need to do to fix it, the players union is too strong.
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But ARod and every Scott Boras client are getting paid their "worth," so we can all sleep better at night [sarcasm font off].

The 28 teams that prop up the Yankees and Red Sox need to get together and decide that parity makes things more interesting and more $$ for all in the long run. But there have been enough fluke WS champs like the Marlins to give all the little guys hope.
 
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MuckFich06;904124; said:
But ARod and every Scott Boras client are getting paid their "worth," so we can all sleep better at night [sarcasm font off].

The 28 teams that prop up the Yankees and Red Sox need to get together and decide that parity makes things more interesting and more $$ for all in the long run. But there have been enough fluke WS champs like the Marlins to give all the little guys hope.
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It's not really 28 teams, but good point.

The other owners could stop pocketing the revenue sharing money (Kansas City comes to mind) and force the other owners into some type of agreement.

but it won't happen until the players union is acceptable to it and that won't happen anytime soon.
 
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The one reason I think baseball is a joke is no salary cap. I think the NFL and NBA are both getting very good at making all clubs competitive, something MLB should try doing.

I love the NBA draft structure, and I love the NFL cap rules(and the no guaranteed contracts).

I think all major leagues should adopt the NBA draft rules, and all organizations should adopt an NFL-esque cap.

That would make baseball a lot better in my eyes.
 
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BuckeyeMike80;904129; said:
It's not really 28 teams, but good point.

The other owners could stop pocketing the revenue sharing money (Kansas City comes to mind) and force the other owners into some type of agreement.

but it won't happen until the players union is acceptable to it and that won't happen anytime soon.
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Yeah, I was exaggerating for effect. Guilty as charged. You can throw the Chisox, Mets, Angels and a few others into that group. The Yanks are just off the charts.

Napoleonbuck;904137; said:
The one reason I think baseball is a joke is no salary cap. I think the NFL and NBA are both getting very good at making all clubs competitive, something MLB should try doing.

I love the NBA draft structure, and I love the NFL cap rules(and the no guaranteed contracts).

I think all major leagues should adopt the NBA draft rules, and all organizations should adopt an NFL-esque cap.

That would make baseball a lot better in my eyes.
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Kind of funny, but baseball remains the most capitalist of the major pro sports. We love our capitalism until it prevents our favorite teams from having a letgit shot year after year. Bring back the days of collusion. At least it kept things in check, lol. To be honest, expansion was a big part of the problem. By thinning out the talent pool, it makes the disparity between the haves and he have nots that much greater.

But back to the topic at hand, I think something needs to be done about the draft. Guys like Todd Van Popple (wasn't he the first million dollar bonus baby?) and JD Drew were the beginning of the downfall. I think something needs to be done to eliminate this nonsense of top 10 talent dropping to the end of the first round or even later due simply to $$. What's the point of having a draft order if it doesn't really matter. Could you imagine Oden going to the Lakers because nobody else would pony up the cash to sign him?
 
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BuckWrestler141;903640; said:
Rick Porcello was the Tigers 1st rd. 27th pick. He went towards the end of the 1st rd. mainly because of the signing issue.

I know Bud Selig does not want teams who pick lower in the draft to be giving top signing bonuses but this one is unbelieveable.

The 7.3 mil. is the highest rookie signing bonus ever (pretty sure). They say only 4 teams could afford to pay for the demands he was making and thats why he dropped so far.

Thoughts?
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my thoughts are that it is great. The Tigers have a very good relationship with Boras and seem to draft his guys later than they should go and they end up getting paid and playing well. Porcello would have went top 3 if he had a different agent, he got paid like a top 3 pick. Sounds like what Brady Quinn was trying to do......
 
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I have nothing against the baseball system based on how the Indians are doing.

I mean, I love the NFL system and the Browns are terrible.

I just think a salary cap makes all leagues better. I'd love to see baseball with a 90 million salary cap. Not only would it prevent teams like Boston, Chicago, New York, and other big spenders from just buying any available top talent, it would also force teams like Kansas City, Florida, Tampa, and other small market/small budget teams to spend more money than they are now.

I feel the same way about soccer in Europe(though things are even more drastic over there, where there's basically the same top 3-4 teams in every league who are at the top every year and never drop unless their billionaire owner dies or a new billionaire buys a team and spends enough money to get that team in to the elite).
 
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The business side of MLB is a complex beast. Its not nearly as simple as we fans would like it to be.

The MLBPU is just too damn strong and there are far too many owners pocketing the revenue money and not putting toward their club which is one reason why the Yankees and BoSox of the world don't want to share as much.

Why should they share the money they earn with some grocery salesman in Cincy who's putting it in his pocket and running a disgrace out onto the field for instance?

Millions of point-counter point things could be stated in this thread. Bottom line is it aint changing anytime soon.
 
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The capitalist side of me says that the players should get every penny that they are "worth." And if someone pays them that money, then they're worth it. If one owner doesn't agree that Mr X is worth $5M a year, he doesn't give him that offer. But the next one does, and he's getting paid $5M a year. If he doesn't perform to the owner's expectations, then he's out of luck. Salary caps, in my opinion, only take away from what a player is worth. If we equate it to a business, it would be like my company telling me that they can't give me a raise this year because they're already over some cap that they and a competitor have agreed upon.

However, baseball, in my opinion, is pretty lame. Some teams are going to be competitive 85% of the time, and others are going to be competitive only 10% of the time. That's how it is. The NFL, however, has a salary cap, and, for the most part, there is a big fluxuation in who the good teams are. One year, Pittsburgh wins the Super Bowl. The next year, I don't think they even made the playoffs. (I might be wrong.) The only thing that I can think of for that is the salary cap.

So... I don't know what to think. The salary cap is inherently evil, in my opinion. But it looks like it works.
 
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Zurp;946736; said:
The capitalist side of me says that the players should get every penny that they are "worth." And if someone pays them that money, then they're worth it. If one owner doesn't agree that Mr X is worth $5M a year, he doesn't give him that offer. But the next one does, and he's getting paid $5M a year. If he doesn't perform to the owner's expectations, then he's out of luck. Salary caps, in my opinion, only take away from what a player is worth. If we equate it to a business, it would be like my company telling me that they can't give me a raise this year because they're already over some cap that they and a competitor have agreed upon.

However, baseball, in my opinion, is pretty lame. Some teams are going to be competitive 85% of the time, and others are going to be competitive only 10% of the time. That's how it is. The NFL, however, has a salary cap, and, for the most part, there is a big fluxuation in who the good teams are. One year, Pittsburgh wins the Super Bowl. The next year, I don't think they even made the playoffs. (I might be wrong.) The only thing that I can think of for that is the salary cap.

So... I don't know what to think. The salary cap is inherently evil, in my opinion. But it looks like it works.
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The problem with this line of thinking is that if you don't have healthy competition, you don't have a product...That's where sports deviates from other businesses...I personally don't follow baseball until about this time of year. Part of that is because I know you can scratch off the names of 90% of the teams before the season even starts. IMO that makes for a bad product...
 
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