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Since you are living in Hawaii and a retired member of the millitary, I was wondering how the natives of the islands look at their relationship towards the mainland?
Do they consider Hawaii to be a different entity entirely or to be no different than say Kansas as far as statehood goes. I guess I'm just looking for the feeling (or lack of), of patriotism.
No reason I need to know, just curious.
 
Basebuck said:
Since you are living in Hawaii and a retired member of the millitary, I was wondering how the natives of the islands look at their relationship towards the mainland?
Do they consider Hawaii to be a different entity entirely or to be no different than say Kansas as far as statehood goes. I guess I'm just looking for the feeling (or lack of), of patriotism.
No reason I need to know, just curious.
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I was just there in October and hung out with Mils a couple of times and I was wondering the same thing before I arrived. But I seen a hell of alot more American flags in peoples yards than I see in Ohio. I was suprised but I thought it was very cool. there is no lack of patriotism on the Hawaiian islands
 
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Basebuck said:
Since you are living in Hawaii and a retired member of the millitary, I was wondering how the natives of the islands look at their relationship towards the mainland?
Do they consider Hawaii to be a different entity entirely or to be no different than say Kansas as far as statehood goes. I guess I'm just looking for the feeling (or lack of), of patriotism.
No reason I need to know, just curious.
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Not Mili, but I can echo 68's points based on my own experiences. There is certainly an element there who isn't entirely happy with the military presence on the islands and who would love to be free of statehood, but that's not something unique to Hawaii. Generally speaking, the folks I ran into who felt that way drove those beliefs positively, with pride in their heritage and culture, rather than some of the maligant core values that fuel some seperatists on the mainland. The Michigan Militia and crazies in the Republic of Texas come immediately to mind. Apologies in advance if anyone here happens to be a psychotic tied to one of those groups. :biggrin:

I had a great time in Hawaii, and it was rare I ran into problems despite being in a branch of the military that often goes looking for it. There are some beaches that are (or were) expected to be local-only, but that's something I respect. In fact, the only non-alcohol induced open hostility I ever encountered came from the Japanese proprietors of a restaurant in Waikiki, not locals at all.

I intend to spend a good amount of time there next winter. In fact I found it funny to find a thread about Hawaii on here, as I've been thinking about that and other equally happy things all morning.
 
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Thanks for the information.

I have always wanted to go to Hawaii but have yet to get the oppurtunity.
One of the reasons I have wanted to go there is because of my interest in the subculture of the isalands. I know its a weird thing to take an interest in but in my travels I have always found the lifestyles in different places interesting.
 
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Basebuck, sorry I never responded (I never do look down at the bottom portion of the main menu page).

Hawaii for the most part is as proud to be a state as most any other state. As buckeye68 and C-Dog have pointed out above, there is quite a bit of patriotism here, both because of the large proportion of military presence in the general population and the fame of the "Go for Broke" Japanese division of the U.S. Army from WWII. By in large, the military here is pretty much respected.

However, Hawaii does have an identity crisis when it comes to being part of the US. Because it is so isolated nearly (3,000 niles from the mainland), it never appears on maps shown on TV (always shows the "lower 48", and conveniently leave out Alaska and Hawaii). Many items advertised on national TV shown in Hawaii either unavailable in Hawaii (XM satellite radio, certain restaurants, etc.) or are more expensive (note the "prices higher in Alaska and Hawaii" fine print at the bottom of many commercials). The general ignorance of Hawaii by the mainland population doesn't help either ("What type of money do they use in Hawaii?", "Do they speak English in Hawaii?", etc.). Hawaii also likes to think of themselves as "unique", as in their "unique island lifestyle", as if they there are no other tropical island entities in the world (hell, we have Guam and Puerto Rico as territories, not to mention the dozens of other island countries).

There also is some prejudice toward "non-locals" (i.e., whites and blacks) by some locals, but for the most part it isn't all that bad. All in all, I enjoy living here.
 
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Clarity, I loved your comment on the Michigan Militia. Living here, I got to tell you that you tend to go out of your way to stay away from anyone who looks like they might be connected to a group like that. Especially true when you go to some of the smaller town joints in the northern LP or in the UP.

All in all though, I think I would be more afraid of some of the radical folks in Idaho and Montana then the folks here in Michigan. Talk about your good ole boy mountain men....

Basebuck, I am with you when it comes to traveling and checking out the people and lifestyles. I also like to checking out local micro brews whenever I travel.
 
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Clarity, I just want to warn you that BuckeyeBri is a member of the Michigan Militia. He prefers to be called a Militiagander and spends all of his time listening to the Bare Naked Ladies song 'Michigan Militia.' Fortunately, he does not carry a gun, but instead a nasty old 9-iron.

The militia is scary here in Michigan. I used to live in an area with some members who set up their own little compound a couple of miles away. They certainly have their own sense of right and wrong and they are unpredictable.

Mili, by the way, I love Triumph, the insult comic dog's, Hawaiin weather report. I saw the clip over the weekend on the MSNBC site and it was hysterical. He was acting like it was the end of the world because there were three days in a row with clouds. Gotta be tough there, but I figure after all those years of active service you have earned it.
 
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Actually, I do swing a mean 9 iron and I am definitely a michigolfian.....

BuckinMichigan is really a michifishian......

Rumor has it that he ties flies with fur from Wolverines that he kilt with his bare hands and then scents them with Badger piss he collects from the baby Badgers he raises in his back yard.
 
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BuckinMichigan: Adam Carolla on Loveline in mid-December did a rip-job on Hawaiians after Dr. Drew posed the rhetorical question "I wonder if Hawai'i has weathermen". Here's the conversation transcript as taken from a Hawaiian news column:

Dr. Drew: I wonder if Hawai'i has weathermen.

Adam Carolla: I'm sure.

D: Cause it's the same everyday, no matter what.

C: Maybe they don't. Hawaiians are too dumb. They can't figure out barometric pressure. They don't know what that means.

D: They have wind some days.

C: Here's the problem with weather in Hawai'i. There's a bunch of big words.

D: Yeah.

C: And they can't handle big words over there, because they're the world's dumbest people.

D: Well, they can't (sic) handle big words, but they must have three letters.

C: Yeah, they handle big words, but it's got to be the name of a fat chick or some drink. They don't do science. Close your eyes and picture all the great Hawaiian scientists over the years. (Laughs) They're retarded people. They stay on the island. They're in-bred, obviously. They're the dumbest people we have.

D: I have met some smart South Pacific people. Not who lived there.

C: People are smart enough to move. Everyone close your eyes and think of all the amazing contributions the Hawaiian scientific community has made over the years. (Long pause) Uh ... They're stupid people.

D: All right. Let's hear from them. Let's hear what they have to say. It'd be interesting to hear what they have to say.

C: What, the Hawaiians? First off, they don't know how to dial the phone. They can't call. They don't know what they're doing. They have big calves. That's all. They're stupid people. We really should start bringing some of them in 'cause they're strong. They're a strong, sturdy breed.

I was driving home from a Christmas party (sober) when I heard this and almost wrecked the car, I was laughing so hard.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;5242; said:
Hawaii does have an identity crisis when it comes to being part of the US. Because it is so isolated nearly (3,000 niles from the mainland), it never appears on maps shown on TV (always shows the "lower 48", and conveniently leave out Alaska and Hawaii). Many items advertised on national TV shown in Hawaii either unavailable in Hawaii (XM satellite radio, certain restaurants, etc.) or are more expensive (note the "prices higher in Alaska and Hawaii" fine print at the bottom of many commercials). The general ignorance of Hawaii by the mainland population doesn't help either ("What type of money do they use in Hawaii?", "Do they speak English in Hawaii?", etc.).
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Anybody that stupid probably asks the same questions about Iowa. :wink2:

My own experience in Hawaii, however, was consistent with what you described, and I was only there for a week. We were talking to the hostess at our hotel and I remember she mentioned Hawaiians resent when people refer to the mainland as "the States" because they're a state, too. I can't blame them for that, and I was surprised to hear some people were that dumb.

I was younger then. Stupidity no longer surprises me.
 
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