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Michigan WR Mario Manningham (official thread)

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MaxBuck;1100012; said:
After watching Mario get separation consistently in the last 3 years, I really do not expect these times to raise a lot of concern among pro scouts.
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Still, 4.6 is DE speed. As an example, Bubba Caldwell just ran a 4.37 at the combine weighing a tad over 200 lbs.

While it is true that successful receivers like the Steve Largents and Fred Balitnikoffs of the world were not burners, they had the ability to separate no matter the speed of the cover.
 
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Scout - Combine - Rising & Falling Prospects (Sunday)
Manningham had the worst day of any player at the Combine. He was talked about as one of the best playmakers at the receiver position and a possible mid-first round pick, but when the dust settled, he ran a disturbing 4.60 in the 40. Manningham didn?t look comfortable running and was running in a short, choppy stride. He demonstrated good strength getting up 16 reps in the bench press, especially with his 5-foot-11, 181-pound frame. He also caught the ball well, but it?s his speed that?s a concern.
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Rivals
Manningham - This junior wideout failed to impress. He ran disappointing 4.59 and 4.6 times that may cost him a first-round grade. He also did only 16 reps and an average 32-inch vertical leap. He needs a strong showing at pro day as well.
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I'm pretty surprised by his 40 time...he burned so many DB's including ours a few times over the top. Maybe his double move is even better than we all thought.

I was convinced he'd be a first rounder, not so sure anymore. It does help some of the best receivers in the league past/present aren't burners.
 
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I'm pretty surprised by his 40 time...he burned so many DB's including ours a few times over the top. Maybe his double move is even better than we all thought.
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I've read others commenting on this today in light of his time, that he was a master of freezing the defender and then exploding past them... which may have inflated his 'deep speed' appearance a bit. His 40 form could also use some serious work
I was convinced he'd be a first rounder, not so sure anymore. It does help some of the best receivers in the league past/present aren't burners.
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True, but most of them were pretty well rounded. Mario holds a lot of the speed WR stereotypes, quick but not physical, explosive but not always consistent, able to go deep but not always over the middle.

The time may not be indicative of his ability, but if scouts buy it... he could be pegged as a speed WR without the speed.
 
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Combine results are silly. The combine is good for evaluating prospects like Joe Flacco of Delaware who didn't get much exposure in his career because of what level he played at. The combine is otherwise nothing more than a place for scouts to drool over how many reps some guy can do in the weight room. I hate drafting players whose "stock shot up at the combine". Mario's from a big-time school that got plenty of exposure and he's got a whole library of game tapes. His entire body of work - big time catch against MSU, drops against OSU, clutch touchdown catch against PSU, stats racked up in three seasons of play, route running on game tapes - that's the stuff he ought to be judged and drafted on, not a 40-yard dash in an insulated, over-controlled environment.

All those "rising at the combine" guys on the Scout article? Those are the guys I'd prefer the Lions (as a Lions fan) stay away from. Eddie Royal? For chrissake, Eddie Royal played at Virginia Tech, which was on national TV at least two out of every three weeks and played against some of the best competition in the country. If Eddie Royal hasn't done enough in three or four years of playing college football to prove he's first-round worthy, I sure hope scouts aren't going to cast that aside for a day or two of workouts. Ooooooooo, he did 24 reps of 225. Any GM who decides to draft Eddie Royal (who plays the one non-special teams position that least demands upper body strength) based on monster bench press numbers, is a certified dunce not worthy to run a football team. So naturally, Matt Millen is even as I type considering trading up to get him.
 
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jwinslow;1100706; said:
I've read others commenting on this today in light of his time, that he was a master of freezing the defender and then exploding past them... which may have inflated his 'deep speed' appearance a bit. His 40 form could also use some serious workTrue, but most of them were pretty well rounded. Mario holds a lot of the speed WR stereotypes, quick but not physical, explosive but not always consistent, able to go deep but not always over the middle.

The time may not be indicative of his ability, but if scouts buy it... he could be pegged as a speed WR without the speed.
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Not making excuses, but Mario's starting form is/was terrible. That cost him at least .1 of a second. If he's been working with a speed coach, he needs to can him because his form from the start is awful.

Who knows? Maybe he was never really all that fast... maybe he just has excellent hips which allow him to maintain top speed while cut (like on his infamous double-move) that allows him to create separation.
 
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