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Michigan Recruiting

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stxbuck said:
Unfortunately, scUm has kind of gotten a reputation-deservedly- as "the' place to go if you are an OL who wants to go to the NFL-kinda like Miami on D, or OSU w/ defensive backs. I'm just glad Boone was smart enough to do the right thing early.................
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Well they are doing something right. They have a nice list of lineman (an TE's) currently playing in the NFL.


Milillani here's a link
http://ohiostate.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=875&Year=2005

Rivals breaks the O-line down into centers, guards and tackles and then ranks them according to position. Corey Z is the 10th ranked tackle, not the the 10th ranked o-lineman overall.

Here are the others for guards and centers
http://ohiostate.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=876&Year=2005
http://ohiostate.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=877&Year=2005
 
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Then Rivals needs to get their crap together on their chart. Bottom line, regardless of smart-aleck "your stat is quite off base" posts, is that scUM consistently recruits extremely well in the OL department, year after year.
 
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Luckily for us, Tressel has shored up this weakness by recruiting stud OL men every year he's been here, and we will start to see the results with this coming season.
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I respectfully beg to differ with you on this point. Tressel's OL recruiting has been nearly as weak as Cooper's was, and it remains JT's weakness. Just consider Tressel's OL recruits since he's been in charge:

2001
Ryan Cook
Adam Olds

2002
Derek Morris
Doug Datish
T.J. Downing
Rob Sims
Nick Mangold

2003
Kirk Barton

2004
Kyle Mitchum
Ben Person
Jon Skinner
Steve Rehring

2005
Alex Boone
Jim Cordle

That's only 14 OL in five seasons - not enough for a three-deep! Furthermore, Olds (injury) and Morris (transfer) are no longer with the team, so the actual number of OL recruits to Tressel's credit is only 12. Finally, none of the aforementioned qualifies as a stud college lineman yet, although Sims and Mangold are above average, and several others have some real potential.

O-linemen may be the most difficult to recruit for several reasons:

1) OL is a physically-demanding position, and many suffer injuries which diminish or end their careers; a great prospect like Adam Olds or Jefferson Kelley can end up being a "bust" strictly because of injury.

2) If a kid comes in as an OL and can't cut it, there is generally nowhere else to play him, not even on special teams; some try DL, but most don't have the attitude or demeanor to play on defense.

3) There is a tremendous "learning curve" for OL, as most don't do much pass blocking in high school; some kids like Tam Hopkins are great drive blockers but have a problem picking up pass blocking schemes.

4) OL are tough to evaluate because they can often physically overpower their high school opponents without relying on technique or footwork; a 300-pound OL looks great blocking a 220-pound DT, but can he manhandle a player his own size?

5) A team needs five OL, which is more than any other position. To get five solid OL and a few decent back-ups, a team probably needs to recruit 15 or 20 kids.

Because OL are so difficult to recruit, and because there is such attrition at that position, it is essential for a team to "over-recruit" the position. I would like to see the Bucks bring in four every year, so that there are between 16 and 20 on the roster at all times. Currently, JT is bringing in less than three a year, which is insufficient, IMHO.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Then Rivals needs to get their crap together on their chart. Bottom line, regardless of smart-aleck "your stat is quite off base" posts, is that scUM consistently recruits extremely well in the OL department, year after year.
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Exactly! Rivals is wrong and they need to get their act together. Once again Milili is right. :roll2:

I'll never forget the year Elvis Grbac and Mich's O-line came to the Shoe and pushed our D off the line of scrimmage play after play. I was a sophomore sitting in the south stands and each play that O-line gained significant yardage. The horror....the horror. It was painfully obvious to me then how well Mich does developing O-lineman. On a side not, I think we had guys like Greg Smith and Jason Simmons (who wasn't bad) as our D-line starters.

Lord Jeff, I agree with your post, Tressel does need to better recruit O-Lineman depth. But it should be mentioned that Tressel has gotten some contribution from former walkons like Kne (Cooper didn't seem to give walkons much of a chance). Perhaps guys like Pace, Tyson Walter :! , Bently, Shane O and Step will show recuits that OSU produces NFL O-lineman too. Shane and Step both started this past year, not bad for rookies drafted in later rounds.

Tyree is still an O-lineman, isn't he?
 
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Good post overall, but I'll have to disagree somewhat about him "under-recruiting". He came in very late in the 2001 recruiting season...he had less than a month to finish off the class. So his 2001 OL class really can't be used as an indicator. So, he got 5 OL in in 2002 and 4 OL in 2004, and we were counting on having 3 this class until Bemoll bailed on us. Yeah, before anyone says so, I agree that we should've brought Taz on board, but they staff figured the 3 we had were solid. Had Bemoll not decomitted, Tressel's count for four full years of recruiting would've been 13 OL, by your count. Keep in mind we also get some quality walk-ons (Kne for example). We end up without about 15 or so "usable" OL per year.

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Exactly! Rivals is wrong and they need to get their act together. Once again Milili is right. :roll2:
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Yeah, how dare someone actually refer to their chart for how a team's commits are ranked by position vice looking up every single player's ranking individually. :roll1:
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Good post overall, but I'll have to disagree somewhat about him "under-recruiting". He came in very late in the 2001 recruiting season...he had less than a month to finish off the class. So his 2001 OL class really can't be used as an indicator. So, he got 5 OL in in 2002 and 4 OL in 2004, and we were counting on having 3 this class until Bemoll bailed on us. Yeah, before anyone says so, I agree that we should've brought Taz on board, but they staff figured the 3 we had were solid. Had Bemoll not decomitted, Tressel's count for four full years of recruiting would've been 13 OL, by your count. Keep in mind we also get some quality walk-ons (Kne for example). We end up without about 15 or so "usable" OL per year.



Yeah, how dare someone actually refer to their chart for how a team's commits are ranked by position vice looking up every single player's ranking individually. :roll1:
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That's good stuff. :)

Kne and I forget that kid from Arlington two years ago (a pulling guard) have been nice contributors.

Earlier I mentioned that Mich O-line...I think the game was in 92 or maybe 93. Anyone else remember (or trying to forget) how their Line knocked our d***s in the dirt play after play. The only worthwhile memory I have from the southstands is when a streaker took off his raincoat and then ran onto the field as the Mich Band was taking the field.
 
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Bottom line, regardless of smart-aleck "your stat is quite off base" posts, is that scUM consistently recruits extremely well in the OL department, year after year.
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Yawn, no need to get defensive. Every school has one or two positions they consistently recruit well. Ask a scum fan if they'd sacrifice a couple of those OL's to get a lockdown corner or two, something they've whiffed on for a few years in a row now. It's going to bite them in the ass next year.

Better yet, ask them if they'd trade their OL coach for a competent DC.
 
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CleveBucks said:
Yawn, no need to get defensive. Every school has one or two positions they consistently recruit well. Ask a scum fan if they'd sacrifice a couple of those OL's to get a lockdown corner or two, something they've whiffed on for a few years in a row now. It's going to bite them in the ass next year.

Better yet, ask them if they'd trade their OL coach for a competent DC.
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They do need to place a want ad for a new D-coordinator. What's his name Hermann or is that the OC. As far as their DB's go, I didn't understand what the all the hype was about Shazor and Jackson. Can you say......OOVVVERRRRRATED!
 
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I'll differ slightly from LJB's comments. I think Tres has done a good job with the top Ohio OL prospects. Where improvement needs to be made is OOS OL recruits to suplement the numbers..where scUM excels.


Peterson getting more involved has got to help as Bollman is a lame OL recruiter, I even read where Bollman hates the recruiting aspect of coaching..
 
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I'm not as scared of M*ch*g*n's future o-lines as much as I am Iowa's. Ferentz is far and away the best developer of offensive linemen in the Big Ten (if not all of college football). He's been building top-flight offensive lines with under-the-radar talent. Now he's finally getting top-tier talent to work with like M*ch*g*n does, and it's scary to think what Ferentz is going to be able to do with that kind of material to work with.
 
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Ferentz has had some very good OL, but I think he has hit the top of the curve. Robert Gallery was a walk-on and ended up the #2 pick in the draft, while Blake Larsen was the #1 OL in the nation and didn't do jack during his 4 years at Iowa, which overlapped w/ Gallery's. Bottom line-Iowa will always have quality O-lines, but nothing scary-amazing,IMO.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
I respectfully beg to differ with you on this point. Tressel's OL recruiting has been nearly as weak as Cooper's was, and it remains JT's weakness. Just consider Tressel's OL recruits since he's been in charge:

2001
Ryan Cook
Adam Olds

2002
Derek Morris
Doug Datish
T.J. Downing
Rob Sims
Nick Mangold

2003
Kirk Barton

2004
Kyle Mitchum
Ben Person
Jon Skinner
Steve Rehring

2005
Alex Boone
Jim Cordle

That's only 14 OL in five seasons - not enough for a three-deep! Furthermore, Olds (injury) and Morris (transfer) are no longer with the team, so the actual number of OL recruits to Tressel's credit is only 12. Finally, none of the aforementioned qualifies as a stud college lineman yet, although Sims and Mangold are above average, and several others have some real potential.

O-linemen may be the most difficult to recruit for several reasons:

1) OL is a physically-demanding position, and many suffer injuries which diminish or end their careers; a great prospect like Adam Olds or Jefferson Kelley can end up being a "bust" strictly because of injury.

2) If a kid comes in as an OL and can't cut it, there is generally nowhere else to play him, not even on special teams; some try DL, but most don't have the attitude or demeanor to play on defense.

3) There is a tremendous "learning curve" for OL, as most don't do much pass blocking in high school; some kids like Tam Hopkins are great drive blockers but have a problem picking up pass blocking schemes.

4) OL are tough to evaluate because they can often physically overpower their high school opponents without relying on technique or footwork; a 300-pound OL looks great blocking a 220-pound DT, but can he manhandle a player his own size?

5) A team needs five OL, which is more than any other position. To get five solid OL and a few decent back-ups, a team probably needs to recruit 15 or 20 kids.

Because OL are so difficult to recruit, and because there is such attrition at that position, it is essential for a team to "over-recruit" the position. I would like to see the Bucks bring in four every year, so that there are between 16 and 20 on the roster at all times. Currently, JT is bringing in less than three a year, which is insufficient, IMHO.
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2001:
Adam Olds (OL)
Andreé Tyree (TE/OL)
Ryan Cook (OL)

2002:
R.J. Coleman (TE/OL)
T.J. Downing (OL)
Doug Datish (OL)
Rob Sims (OL)
Nick Mangold (OL)
Tim Schaffer (DL/OL)
Derek Morris (OL)

2003:
Kirk Barton (OL)
Brandon Maupin (DL/OL)

2004:
Kyle Mitchum (OL)
Ben Person (OL)
Steve Rehring (OL)
Jon Skinner (OL)

2005:
Alex Boone (OL)
Jim Cordle (OL)
Kevin Bemoll (OL)

Sorry LBJ, but I beg to differ (respectfully, of course). Tressel has actually recruited 19 OL so far, and there has been some attrition (Olds, Cook, Morris, Bemoll) so the total is actually 15 (barring any unforeseen surprises this year). Following his theme of recruiting Speed, Power, and Big Speed, he has recruited guys like Tyree, Coleman, Schaffer, and Maupin to be potential OL even though they weren't full-time OL in high school. And some of those aforementioned guys were highly regarded at multiple positions (including OL) when they came out of school.

Yes, I agree that none of them has established themselves as stud college linemen so far (Mangold and Sims might change that this coming season), but it's taken a few years to build up a pipeline of OL that suit Tressel/Bollman/Peterson's style. As Mili mentioned, Tressel likes to have 15 or so scholarship linemen at all times, which is why some year's (like 2002) he had to bring in a lot more than the desired 3-4. Michigan has proven that the best way to build up consistently good offensive lines is to take 3-4 recruits every year, redshirt them to build up their strength, conditioning, and knowledge, and then start plugging them in. The fact they don't have to replace 5 OL starters every year is exactly why they are consistently good, and that is JT's goal. All that, in my mind, is why we will do much better with our OL than during Cooper's tenure.
 
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... he has recruited guys like Tyree, Coleman, Schaffer, and Maupin to be potential OL even though they weren't full-time OL in high school.
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I think that their positions on the depth chart rather proves my point - OSU needs to recruit true O-linemen, not just wide bodies who can fill a roster spot. A school with the stature of Ohio State should not be trying to fill its OL three-deep with walk-ons and wannabees.
 
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