Michael Crabtree

[3074326]

Part of this problem falls on the Niners for making a preceived poor decision in drafting him.

Absolutely not. Crabtree was a steal at 10, the Niners needed a WR, and you can't predict that anyone is going to take it this far. Saying that the 49ers should've expected this is like someone seeing a car pulled off along the side of the road and assuming that they died at the wheel or something ridiculous.

Divas usually want money. Crabtree does, obviously. The longer he waits, the more he loses. That's not a diva move, that's a moronic agent and a stupid player being way too arrogant for their own good. Nothing good is going to come of this for Crabtree. The Niners will save money.

Players would have way too much leverage next year if the Niners give him a bigger contract than he deserved at 10.

And Mike Leach isn't going to say anything bad about Crabtree..

 

[ScriptOhio]

Originally he had been widely regarded as one of the top players available in the draft but his draft stock dropped in part because he underwent surgery for a stress fracture in his foot found at the scouting combine. In addition some (like Cleveland coach Eric Mangini) thought he was a "diva-ish".

If Crabtree does sit out the '09 season, the 49ers would retain his rights until the day of the 2010 draft. By rule, he can not meet/work out with other teams or attend next year's scouting combine as long as the 49ers hold his rights.

Without even knowing at the talent level in next year's NFL draft, I wouldn't think that Crabtree would be selected higher than 10th. Why would any team in their right mind spend that kind of money on a guy who: A, sat out an entire season in a contract dispute and B, had an injury issue the previous year?

Crabtree has until Nov. 17 to sign or sit out the 2009 season. If he doesn't sign by then, it's going to be one of the biggest mistakes ever made by a first-round draft pick.

 

[Derek2k3]

Let me play the devils advocate here:

Maybe, just maybe, Crabtree isn't looking for more money. Its obvious that he is doing more harm than good, the debate is to what extent will the harm cost him. Will someone take a flyer on him in the top 10? Does he go 15-25? 25-32?

So, lets just say he absofrickinlutely does not want to play for San Francisco, a team that hasn't been relevant for a long time. Maybe he absolutely does NOT want to play with Shaun Hill as his QB.


Say he sits out and reenters next year. Do you think teams like the Colts, NWE, NYJ, Baltimore, NYG, Dallas, Minnesota, Atlanta etc...will pass on him?

Its possible that he could make more money in the long run by sitting out, not making as much at the beginning of his career but positioning himself to have excellent numbers, thereby solidifying his future? He could do better on any of the afore mentioned teams than with San Fran...not saying its definite, but it is probable.

Now, this is all hypothetical, and personally I think he should suck it the fuck up and play. But, that is one scenario where he may be thinking about more than money RIGHT NOW.

Thoughts? And BTW, I'm sure you can make a case for a few of the teams I listed NOT wanting to take him, but the point is any one of those teams could take a shot with him...

 

[3074326]

Let me play the devils advocate here:

Maybe, just maybe, Crabtree isn't looking for more money. Its obvious that he is doing more harm than good, the debate is to what extent will the harm cost him. Will someone take a flyer on him in the top 10? Does he go 15-25? 25-32?

So, lets just say he absofrickinlutely does not want to play for San Francisco, a team that hasn't been relevant for a long time. Maybe he absolutely does NOT want to play with Shaun Hill as his QB.


Say he sits out and reenters next year. Do you think teams like the Colts, NWE, NYJ, Baltimore, NYG, Dallas, Minnesota, Atlanta etc...will pass on him?

Its possible that he could make more money in the long run by sitting out, not making as much at the beginning of his career but positioning himself to have excellent numbers, thereby solidifying his future? He could do better on any of the afore mentioned teams than with San Fran...not saying its definite, but it is probable.

Now, this is all hypothetical, and personally I think he should suck it the fuck up and play. But, that is one scenario where he may be thinking about more than money RIGHT NOW.

Thoughts? And BTW, I'm sure you can make a case for a few of the teams I listed NOT wanting to take him, but the point is any one of those teams could take a shot with him...

Well, I wouldn't have a problem with your hypothetical there, but the reason he isn't signed IS because of money. Has nothing to do with the city/team. They're $10 million apart and neither side will budge. His arrogant ass thinks he deserves top 5 money when he was drafted 10. He doesn't understand that it doesn't work that way. You don't get paid on where you should get drafted, you get paid on where you get drafted. All that ESPN draft coverage stuff is for entertainment, by talking heads. He's acting like it was his right to be paid as the best WR in the draft.

I don't think he'd go in the top 25 next year. There are two WRs (Bryant, Benn) who are likely going to be ahead of him. Maybe more depending on how the season goes. He's certainly not going to get more guaranteed money next year. If he plays well he's going to earn his money regardless, even in SF.

 

[alexhortdog95]

Well, I wouldn't have a problem with your hypothetical there, but the reason he isn't signed IS because of money. Has nothing to do with the city/team. They're $10 million apart and neither side will budge. His arrogant ass thinks he deserves top 5 money when he was drafted 10. He doesn't understand that it doesn't work that way. You don't get paid on where you should get drafted, you get paid on where you get drafted. All that ESPN draft coverage stuff is for entertainment, by talking heads. He's acting like it was his right to be paid as the best WR in the draft.

I don't think he'd go in the top 25 next year. There are two WRs (Bryant, Benn) who are likely going to be ahead of him. Maybe more depending on how the season goes. He's certainly not going to get more guaranteed money next year. If he plays well he's going to earn his money regardless, even in SF.

You guys are out of your minds, lol...Crabtree is the most dominant receiver hands down that put on pads the last few years. The only other receiver in the last 10 years I can remember being so dominant in college that translated well to the pros is Larry Fitzgerald.

While I agree that it's greed (as well as a stupid agent) at play here, one ultimately HAS to concider him the best receiver in last year's draft, hands down, and the only reason why he's not the first one picked is because Al Davis only drafts with a stopwatch.

 

[jwinslow]

You guys are out of your minds, lol...Crabtree is the most dominant receiver hands down that put on pads the last few years.

No, not even close. He takes a backseat to Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson. Torry Holt wasn't bad either.

The only other receiver in the last 10 years I can remember being so dominant in college that translated well to the pros is Larry Fitzgerald.

Last time I checked, Crabtree hasn't translated at all to the pros. He's still a texas tech product who has proven nothing besides throwing a temper tantrum over where he was picked.

Unlike Crabtree, Calvin Johnson had a legitimate claim to being worth #1 money, but he's not a baby. Crabtree could have gone 5 or 10 and no one would have thought much of the slot.

While I agree that it's greed (as well as a stupid agent) at play here, one ultimately HAS to concider him the best receiver in last year's draft, hands down,

Last year's draft did not have a top-5 pick at WR like many drafts.

and the only reason why he's not the first one picked is because Al Davis only drafts with a stopwatch.

Wah. 8 other teams didn't think he was that great. Crabtree was also injured in the offseason.

It's not the 49ers fault that he wasn't worth as much as his entourage and ego thinks he is...

 

[NFBuck]

No, not even close. He takes a backseat to Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson. Torry Holt wasn't bad either.Last time I checked, Crabtree hasn't translated at all to the pros. He's still a texas tech product who has proven nothing besides throwing a temper tantrum over where he was picked.

Don't forget epic flops like Mike Williams and Charles Rogers, both of whom were at least as good as, if not better than Crabtree in college. Dwayne Jarrett too for that matter...

 

[OCBucksFan]

Nothing like getting that prima donna WR tag on you before you've even taken a snap.

 

[jwinslow]

Based on their draft day profile, I believe most GMs would take Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Torry Holt, Plaxico Burress & Charles Rogers before considering Crabtree.

Roy Williams, David Terrell, Peter Warrick, David Boston, Mike Williams would be around Crabtree's draft slot if they were in the same class.

Don't forget epic flops like Mike Williams and Charles Rogers, both of whom were at least as good as, if not better than Crabtree in college. Dwayne Jarrett too for that matter...

I'm not sure I'd put DJ there, but Plaxico was better imo. Either way, Crabtree wasn't close to being the greatest evar!!11!!1!! ... other than fitz!!1!!!!!eleventy!

 

[NFBuck]

Based on their draft day profile, I believe most GMs would take Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Torry Holt, Plaxico Burress & Charles Rogers before considering Crabtree.

Roy Williams, David Terrell, Peter Warrick, David Boston, Mike Williams would be around Crabtree's draft slot if they were in the same class.
I'm not sure I'd put DJ there, but Plaxico was better imo. Either way, Crabtree wasn't close to being the greatest evar!!11!!1!! ... other than fitz!!1!!!!!eleventy!

Maybe not on sheer numbers, but that may have had more to do with the bevy of options at the USC QB's disposal. Jarrett could take over games, but IIRC, subpar workouts dropped his stock. I'd say he was in the same league in college at least. Roy Williams (Texas) is another name, went #7 overall and has had an up and down pro career.

 

[3074326]

You guys are out of your minds, lol...Crabtree is the most dominant receiver hands down that put on pads the last few years. The only other receiver in the last 10 years I can remember being so dominant in college that translated well to the pros is Larry Fitzgerald.

While I agree that it's greed (as well as a stupid agent) at play here, one ultimately HAS to concider him the best receiver in last year's draft, hands down, and the only reason why he's not the first one picked is because Al Davis only drafts with a stopwatch.

Why did you say I was out of my mind?

When did I say he wasn't the best receiver last year? When did I say he wasn't one of the most dominant WRs in recent memory?

I said he was picked 10th overall and he should be paid that way. What if Rey Maualuga and James Laurinaitis thought they were better than second round picks? Should they hold out and demand more money because they were picked in the second round? Fuck no. You get paid by where you were drafted. Sucks sometimes. Look at Aaron Rodgers. Look at Crabtree. He's not getting paid top 5 money because he thinks he's the best WR in the draft.

If you read the thread, you'd know that I thought he was a ridiculously awesome steal at 10. But that doesn't mean he should be paid any more. That's stupid and just asking for future trouble.

 

[Bucklion]

Nevermind the fact that if I was him, there are WWAAAYYYY worse places to go than SF right now...they might not make the NFC title game this year, but they've clearly got some things figured out right now, and they are in the NFL's weakest division, full of defenses that can't stop the pass. OK, Shaun Hill isn't Peyton Manning...but did anyone see Tony Romo's crap-fest Sunday? Hell even Brady didn't look great, so they all have their moments. Crabtree is a fucking idiot...end of story.

 

[Steve19]

Nothing like getting that prima donna WR tag on you before you've even taken a snap.

Defensive backs like that kind of thing. Call them star-struck, but they like to go out of their way to welcome prima donnas to the NFL.

 

[OSUsushichic]

I love these idiots who want more millions of dollars, and they haven't proven SHIT in the pros. Hey Michael, put on the pads and PROVE your worth. Frickin' greedy douchebag.

 

[Merih]

I know this has probably been discussed ad nauseum earlier on, but even if he reenters I don't see him getting picked ahead of Dez Bryant. No way. Dez Bryant reminds me of a young T.O., before all of the craziness. I also like Arrelious Ben ahead of him as well. They have dominant, #1 WR type bodies.

Don't sleep on Mike Williams out of Syracuse as well.