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Miami (FL) Hurricanes (1926-2003)

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Mrstickball;1973221; said:
I haven't seen any posts, but has Sharkonwheels (I think thats his name?) - the really smart/nice Miami poster given his view on this situation? Being a Miami fan, I'd like to see what he thinks.
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He posted a few days ago about it. (I think he's on a cruise so he has limited connection)

He believes some of this stuff has happened, but also believes Shapiro is fabricating a lot of this due to being a criminal and a pathological liar.

So he knows something is up, but to what extent compared to the yahoo report, he doesn't know yet.

He posted more than this, but this was his first post about it.


sharkonwheels;1970971; said:
Haven't read the whole thread, as I'm connecting in over a satellite connection in the caribbean...

However, as a University of Miami fan, I am whole-heartedly disappointed in the decisions some of these young men might've made.

If the coaching staff was involved, I will be thoroughly disgusted - that is not what is expected when parents send their kids off to a college.
They expect the staff to guide them in the right directions, and assist in turning boys into men.

I'll pounce back in here once I get back home, and have a chance to catch up and see what the state is - I have very limited access right now, and
basically am getting my info from ESPN international channel, twitter, and slow websurfing.

I am keeping in mind, however, that this is all coming from a jilted felon serving 20 years for fraud, lying, cheating, and stealing.

<back to depression>
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Mrstickball;1973221; said:
... has Sharkonwheels - the really smart/nice Miami poster given his view on this situation?
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Coqui;1973223; said:
I think he's on a cruise so he has limited connection
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Well, that's gonna get him a lot of sympathy, now, isn't it? :biggrin:

Seriously, I think we need to separate out the egregious actions of the players and booster, which are extreme, from those of the university.

If it is proven that coaches were complicit in this whole deal, then I think the death penalty is too kind. If coaches knew that Shapiro was springing for prostitution and abortion services, and failed to inform the compliance department, SCHWING! Similarly, if compliance people can be shown to have been aware of this stuff, SCHWING!

On the other hand, if this was a down-low benefit only offered to the players "in the know," I don't see how you can strongly punish Da U. It's impossible, as we've seen here in Columbus, to prevent players and boosters from associating with one another (and the players from getting schwag as a consequence) if they choose to keep things secret.

The key here is, did the compliance department do a credible job of monitoring things? And if so, were coaches unaware? If appropriate safeguards were in place (and by that I do NOT mean impenetrable security, which is impossible), then minor penalties should be placed on the program IMO.
 
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MaxBuck;1973238; said:
Well, that's gonna get him a lot of sympathy, now, isn't it? :biggrin:

Seriously, I think we need to separate out the egregious actions of the players and booster, which are extreme, from those of the university.

If it is proven that coaches were complicit in this whole deal, then I think the death penalty is too kind. If coaches knew that Shapiro was springing for prostitution and abortion services, and failed to inform the compliance department, SCHWING! Similarly, if compliance people can be shown to have been aware of this stuff, SCHWING!

On the other hand, if this was a down-low benefit only offered to the players "in the know," I don't see how you can strongly punish Da U. It's impossible, as we've seen here in Columbus, to prevent players and boosters from associating with one another (and the players from getting schwag as a consequence) if they choose to keep things secret.

The key here is, did the compliance department do a credible job of monitoring things? And if so, were coaches unaware? If appropriate safeguards were in place (and by that I do NOT mean impenetrable security, which is impossible), then minor penalties should be placed on the program IMO.
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I'll be stunned if Miami gets hit with less than what USC received. The prominence of Shapiro as a booster, with his name on the wall of a building for a while, as well as leading the team onto the field and handing Donna checks at a photo-op, makes him somebody that the program needed to watch closely. The comments from former Miami AD Paul Dee about "high profile players demand high profile compliance", which he directed at USC after being the Chairman of the Committee on Infractions that determined USC's punishment, will provoke an outrage if Miami gets less punishment than USC.

I understand that what matters is what can be proven, but USC was hit primarily for the following reasons:

- Reggie Bush and his family received improper benefits, mainly in the form of a rent-free home far from USC's campus.
- OJ Mayo (hoops) received improper benefits, in the form of cash and other items of value
- RB coach Todd McNair engaged in unethical conduct
- the claims of convicted felon Lloyd Lake were crucial in the cases against Bush and McNair
- USC was a repeat violator due to football sanctions involving academic fraud, providing false and misleading information, and failure to monitor from 1996 to 1998.
The probation was from August, 2001 through August, 2003; but the 5-year clock for repeat violator status ran until August, 2006 (and the Reggie Bush issues were before then)
- former AD Mike Garrett was defiant against the NCAA, rather than being contrite
- the hiring of serial rules violator Lane Kiffin may have hurt their case

I think it's very likely that many Miami players will be proven (to the NCAA's satisfaction) to have received improper benefits, and to the NCAA the number of players involved in more damaging than the dollar amounts involved.

If they aren't deemed a repeat violator, (since the Miami sanctions that could invoke that situation were in baseball and basketball), that could make a big difference for them. But the Pell Grant scandal in the '90s and the program atmosphere highlighted in the recent 30-for-30 film will both make it difficult for the NCAA to view Miami as a program that's been high on compliance historically.

So the extra benefits will likely be more egregious than USC's, the coaching involvement could be simliar (Haith, the bball coach), the critical testimony will largely again be from a felon, and the repeat violator clause will likely be invoked. Not having Garrett and Kiffin are the points in Miami's favor, but I'll be surprised if that makes up for the number of players that end up being involved with a prominent booster.

The one factor that really helps both Miami and USC is that they are private institutions that are not subject to FOIA requests. That greatly reduces the amount of anal probing that can be performed by various media members, if they were interested in looking.
 
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Heard that one of the former players is now recanting his statements
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Oh no! Not another Florida recant?

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LightningRod;1973366; said:
Come on people, Shapiro was nothing more than a big fan. How was Donna supposed to know about this guy other than being caught holding a $50,000 check, his name on a building, and his participation in a coaching search.

Nevin Shapiro Spoke to Prospective Coaches for Miami
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It's disappointing that Houston Nutt didn't get the Miami job at the end of 2006, since we could have looked forward to numerous jokes if his name were involved in this scandal.
 
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