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M is for Moron...

Discussion in 'Professional Basketball' started by jlb1705, Nov 19, 2004.

  1. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Bookie

    How 'bout that fight in Detroit? We should expect nothing less from that shitstain of a state up north. Anytime you do something that makes RON ARTEST look innocent by comparison, you are a fucking disgrace. Don't worry Mr. Artest, M*ch*g*nders will get a collective beat-down tommorrow afternoon!
  2. CrabMan

    CrabMan Newbie

    Craziest thing I've ever seen in sports. People are saying they were scared for their lives.

    NBA action is fantastic!!
  3. OSUsushichic

    OSUsushichic Fired up! Ready to go!

    Wow, that was SO ugly. I guess when you get Artest and the idiot Detroit fans together, things are bound to happen. So, who the hell gets fined? suspended? sued? So many punches were thrown. :box:
  4. DaytonBuck

    DaytonBuck I've always liked them

    that may top the fight against the Cubs fan in baseball. That was farking out of control.
  5. CrabMan

    CrabMan Newbie

    Did you see the punch that O'Neal landed on the fan that was on the court? Knocked the guy out cold!! There will be major fines, suspensions, lawsuits and arrests from this one.

    This was far worse than the Cubs fight. This was a flat out riot.
  6. BuckeyeTillIDie

    BuckeyeTillIDie The North Remembers

    Very crazy, yet very entertaining. Those idiot fans in Detroit really walked on the court like they were going to do something to NBA player? Those pieces of trash got what the deserved. Nothing like watching stupid assholes get beat up!
  7. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

  8. Ron Artest is a thug. He needs to be expelled from the league. The guy is insane, and it's only a matter of time before he kills someone.

    The guy shouldn't have thrown anything at him, but Artest at no point had any right to go into the stands after anyone. Period. He should be expelled from the league.

    And please folks, let's have a little class. Piston fans and Michigan fans are not the same people. As a matter of fact, because of its location, there are more MSU fans that go to Piston games than UM fans. If Artest hadn't been such a baby that he felt the need to punch Ben Wallace from behind, none of this would have ever happened.

    I am sickened by what I saw tonight. The Pacers have absolutely no class whatsoever.
  9. vrbryant

    vrbryant Ever thus to ____ers Staff Member

    Ignorant statement.


    You had one thing right there. I'll explain in a moment.


    *shrug* That's sort of a non-issue.


    Alright - let me break down what really happened. You would actually have had to watch the game to understand this, of course. About two game minutes before the foul in question, Ben Wallace had a similar defensive play on Artest at the other end of the court that was called a clean block - a call I didn't disagree with. Artest didn't get back on defense, and when the Pistons turned the ball over on the next possession, Artest was the easy outlet man and glided in for a dunk, after which he and Ben Wallace traded glares. The Pistons, at home, for the next couple minutes, watched the game slip away after they'd gotten to within five points.

    Now, the Pistons are on offense with less than a minute remaining. Wallace goes to the rack to throw it down, and Artest fouls him from behind. These little on-court single serving rivalries are entirely commonplace - you see players gunning for each other like that all the time. The foul itself, which was not a very hard foul, was - you could say - relatively unnecessary. Wallace takes offense, as he has every right to do, and shoves Artest in the chest/neck area. Artest falls back, the benches empty, and after about 15-20 seconds of some spirited shouting and shoving, the coast is effectively clear.

    Here is where the problem starts. Ron Artest, knowing perfectly well what his reputation is, knowing perfectly well how much people hate him, knowing just as well how big the rivalry between Indiana and Detroit is, does not shove back. He does not throw any punches. He submits to his teammates and coaches and finds a spot on the scorers table to get out of the fray and cool off.

    Some pin-dick white bread cocksucker, who very likely was plastered on a night's worth of six dollar Budweisers, sees Artest lying on the scorer's table and decides that the best thing he could probably do to make up for the fact that his team just got trampled would be to throw a cup of beer and (what I understand to be) a plastic bottle onto the prone Artest. The one thing you got right, guy, was that the fuckstick fan should never even have let the notion of throwing anything anywhere near the court - let alone directly at a player from close range - enter his faggoty little head. Unfortunately, people (especially fans) are really no more intelligent, rational or civilized than a bunch of shit crazy baboons. One white monkey throws a cup at Artest, and the gauntlet is down. Like almost any other player in the league would have done having seen the guy who did it, Artest crawls over a few rows of seats and teaches the little prick a lesson. All the other monkeys see the first monkey throw his feces, and ooh ooh ah AH AH AH! Hey, I've got poo too! Let's get our ugly fucking faces on television!

    Here's where you'll probably get upset. Not only do I blame this catastrophe (that, unfortunately, will probably never be forgotten) entirely on the fans, I am 100% in Ron Artest's court. In point of fact, I love Ron Artest. Apart from the fact that he's an extraordinary talent, I applaud him for his ability to be his own person. You say he's crazy? A couple olives short of a martini? Fucking right. It's an acquired taste, I suppose, but the Ron Artests, Milton Bradleys, Dennis Rodmans and Ricky Williamses of the world - for me - are a huge part of what make sports so great. You want to know why people hate Ron Artest? Because they can't handle the concept of someone just not giving a fuck.

    Here's how I - if I were David Stern - would handle this situation. (1) Suspend Ron Artest, Ben Wallace and Stephen Jackson one game apiece, and fine them each $5,000-10,000. (2) Enact a new policy concerning the treatment of fans who engage in the sort of activity in question. (3) Ensure that each and every fan who was involved in inciting the melee is prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for disorderly conduct, assault, and whatever else that can be thrown at them. Obviously this isn't the same sort of situation as the attack on Tom Gamboa at Comiskey. It also isn't anything like the chair throwing incident at the Texas/Oakland game, which itself was mostly the fans' doing. This was a direct assault on a player, and that is completely unacceptable.

    Expel Artest from the league? Please. You may not like him - that's fine. I'm sure you, uh, have your reasons. Just try not to do him and the league the disservice of crucifying him publicly over something he has little to no responsibility for.
  10. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    Nice analysis VR, I didn't see any of this stuff and your discription of it was great. Seriously. I don't think they need to suspend Artest or throw him out of the league. I don't know or care about Artest. I remember him from St. Johns. That's all. I think he got drafted by the Bulls and I have no idea where he plays now (Cept that I figured out he's with Indy by this story)

    I'd prefer if they suspended the whole league.... can't they go on strike or something? I used to watch NBA games, and now, the whole league strikes me as overpaid, underskilled (as a league) players thugging it up for big cash. I freely admit that because I don't watch NBA games any more, I could be missing quite a bit of skilled play, so I don't want to come off to strong with my "suspend the whole league" banter. In any case, I grew tired of endless dunks, no defense, and thuggary. I have this debate with a friend of mine who loves the NBA, and we go round and round about whether the league has deteriorated. I say yes, he says no... Neither of us has convinced the other.
  11. bluematt

    bluematt Newbie

    I think many of you forget that the players get paid millions to restrain themselves in this situation. I have been in the players shoes and there is NEVER a reason for a player to leap 5 rows into the stands and punch someone. The fan who threw the beer was wrong and should punished even jailed BUT Ron Artest was NOT defending himself. It was a beer! He should have walked away from the situation and let security take care of it.
    As far as the Jermaine ONeal punching the fan...... The fan should have NOT been on the court and should be arrested for tresspassing. That in NO way opens him up to physical abuse. ONeal had no reason to punch the man. He was strolling onto the court and ONeal came flying out of the background to put this guy on his back. That is self defense? Sorry but NO.

    Bottom line is that one fan threw a beer, which does happen, and the Pacers exploited the situation. The NBA players MUST hold themselves higher than the fans. There are 15 million reasons in which they need to act so.

    PS- I have played against Artest and he is the type of person who is always "looking for a reason" to act or react. His past actions support this from HS to college to the NBA.
  12. OSUsushichic

    OSUsushichic Fired up! Ready to go!

    Who I feel sorry for in this whole situation are those innocent fans who took their kids to see the game and were looking for a fun night out. Can you imagine if this were a kid's first NBA game? They're never going to want to go back! They were showing kids crying and holding into their parents, and I just felt really bad for them.
  13. Actually, I think last night's game made a bunch of new fans. A BUNCH. And David Stern knows this.

    There are surely a ton of kids who saw last night's game and LOVED it.

    We live in a society where Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas is the hottest new video game, and is expected to sell 15 MILLION COPIES (according to WTBN radio).

    We like violence. Kids LOVE violence.
  14. CrabMan

    CrabMan Newbie

    vr - Nice rant. :roll2:

    Let me guess, you're a 20-something thug yourself? That's the only way you could possibly justify a player going in the stands and beating the crap out of an innocent bystander. Let me repeat that - an innocent bystander. The KID that Artest beat on wasn't the fan that tossed the PLASTIC CUP of water/beer in the first place.

    On the other hand, the fans on the floor deserved a beat down - fans don't belong on the court and players don't belong in the stands - but there is no way to justify going in the stands simply from having a PLASTIC CUP of water/beer poured on you. Be a man and walk away. It is as simple as that.

    It's unbelieveable the way some of the youth of today thinks. :!
  15. vrbryant

    vrbryant Ever thus to ____ers Staff Member

    Actually, I'm a twentysomething lily white college pussy. Doesn't change the fact that the altercation was over until that fan crossed the line. I can't even begin to fathom the amount of self restraint Artest had to muster just to keep himself out of Ben Wallace's kitchen. He was fine, he was calm, he was lucid, then a full, solid cup of beer (I imagine it weighs more than most of us think) hits him in the fucking face. Sorry - all bets are off. Every former player I've heard comment on the subject (with the exception of Bill Walton who was simply at a loss for words) has said that under the same circumstances, he would have done the same thing. Ditto Shaq, ditto a lot of other current players. Would just laughing it off have been the 'better' thing to do? Sure. Artest lets it slide and all we're talking about is one idiot 'fan' giving them all a bad name. Something tells me, though, that when it's all you can do to not get tangled up on the court, having to deal with fucking projectiles from the cocksucking fanbase is simply too much for any man to handle. I am, like everyone else, very sad that it had to happen, but I've changed my stance on it not at all. The fans fucked up - bottom line. The sucker punching that Artest and Fred Jones endured, the thrown chair and the running onto the court notwithstanding, the initial violation was an open invitation to get throttled. Two more things: (1) Not self defense? Where do you draw the line? How much does something have to weigh before throwing it becomes an attack? Just because Artest is vastly bigger and stronger than every fan in those stands doesn't mean he's not allowed to stand up for himself when they cross that line so blatantly. (2) 'Kid'? Not the right guy? Bzzt. There were two of them, they were both adults, and Artest saw them as soon as the cup hit his chin. Apart from the sentiment that Sushichic expressed, and the unfortunate fallout effect this will have on the NBA's reputation, my only regret is that these fans won't get their due, proper punishment.

    And by the way - I love San Andreas. Glock, glock...know what I'm sayin'?

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