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Football is 100% physical, 100% mental.
Apparently a big number of redshirt juniors who can't get into Stanford grad school programs?
A 14th Stanford player enters the transfer portal
One of those defensive linemen, Michael Williams, explained to 247Sports.com at least a partial reasoning behind the exceptionally-high exodus numbers:
Williams, a two-year starter, told 247Sports that this big run of transfer portal entrants was somewhat expected in Palo Alto. In fact, head coach David Shaw encouraged his players to explore their options knowing how hard it can be to get into graduate school. Williams labeled potential entry into some Stanford graduate programs as “nearly impossible.”
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/24/stanford-ncaa-transfer-portal-database/
A 14th Stanford player enters the transfer portal
One of those defensive linemen, Michael Williams, explained to 247Sports.com at least a partial reasoning behind the exceptionally-high exodus numbers:
Williams, a two-year starter, told 247Sports that this big run of transfer portal entrants was somewhat expected in Palo Alto. In fact, head coach David Shaw encouraged his players to explore their options knowing how hard it can be to get into graduate school. Williams labeled potential entry into some Stanford graduate programs as “nearly impossible.”
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/12/24/stanford-ncaa-transfer-portal-database/
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
Some history on the "graduate transfer":
How Russell Wilson's transfer from NC State to Wisconsin set the stage for Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts
Eight years ago, on the third floor of a Holiday Inn off Route 411 in Rome, Georgia, a single phone call set off a chain reaction that would someday affect Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts and all of college football.
Russell Wilson still remembers the call. "Like it was yesterday," he says now.
In town that spring to play a minor league baseball game as a second baseman with the Asheville Tourists, Wilson was on the line with his NC State football coach. Wilson had just missed spring practice to play baseball but wanted to return to the football team for his senior season.
Then Tom O'Brien told him he would no longer have his starting job.
A three-year starter at quarterback, Wilson could not accept that. What he did next took quite an emotional toll, but it fueled one of the biggest trends to shake the sport of college football -- the rise of graduate transfers.
Burrow and Hurts are only the most recent examples to use the grad transfer rule and flourish at a second school, taking their teams to the College Football Playoff semifinal at the Chick-Fil-A Peach Bowl on Saturday (4 p.m., ESPN and ESPN App).
They can thank Wilson for setting the stage. Wilson can thank Greg Paulus.
In 2006, the NCAA passed a rule that allowed graduates to be eligible to play if they transferred to a graduate program at another school regardless of sport and any previous transfer. But many administrators pushed back, believing they had just opened the door to free agency in their biggest sports.
Within nine months, membership overrode the rule. Any graduate in the sports of football, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball or men's ice hockey who wanted to transfer would need to go through the waiver process in order to play immediately.
Waivers opened the first door for graduate transfers such as Paulus. In 2009, Paulus made an unprecedented decision to leave the Duke basketball team after graduation and play his final remaining season of eligibility with the Syracuse football team. He got his waiver, and he started for the Orange. Beyond the oddity of switching sports, nothing Paulus did that season pushed him or his team into the national conversation. Syracuse went 4-8, and Paulus went on to coach basketball.
But what Paulus did stuck with Mark Rodgers, who worked as a baseball agent and also represented two-sport athletes -- including Wilson.
Growing up in Richmond, Virginia, Wilson starred in football and baseball and wanted to play both sports in college and the pros. NC State baseball coach Elliott Avent went to watch him play in a tournament in Salem, Virginia. He saw a raw shortstop who could make every throw and never missed a ball. A man sitting next to him in the stands turned to Avent and said, "Son, if you think he can play shortstop, you should see him throw a football. He's the best quarterback this state's ever had."
Avent stared at the man. Although he wasn't a football coach, he knew enough about football. So he started peppering the man with names. Better than Michael Vick and Ronald Curry?
"This guy told me, 'He's the best,'" Avent said.
So Avent told the Wolfpack football coaches about him. Wilson was largely ignored in recruiting circles because of his size: 5-foot-11, 180 pounds. NC State agreed to let him play football and baseball. Within a year, O'Brien took over as football coach, and the dynamic shifted. He expected Wilson around the team in the offseason, and that limited the amount of time Wilson had for baseball.
Still, Wilson decided to join the Colorado Rockies for spring training in early 2011 after they drafted him in the fourth round the previous year. He had already graduated and thought that missing spring football would not jeopardize his spot on the team.
But O'Brien had another quarterback he felt good about in four-star prospect Mike Glennon. O'Brien faced a dilemma. Do you tell Wilson he can come back and risk losing Glennon, who has waited for his chance to start? And what if Wilson decides to forgo football and Glennon has already left the team?
O'Brien did not return a phone message seeking comment, but he said in 2014, "Michael would have graduated that year. He could move on if he wanted to at the end of that year. So that was just all part of the decision-making process. It had to happen. You could have one quarterback, you could have two quarterbacks or you could have no quarterbacks." In 2016, Wilson made headlines when he delivered the commencement speech at Wisconsin and gave a different take on his call with O'Brien.
"He said, 'Listen, son, you're never going to play in the National Football League,'" Wilson told the Wisconsin graduates. 'You're too small. There's no chance. You've got no shot. Give it up.' Of course, I'm on this side of the phone saying, 'So you're telling me I'm not coming back to NC State? I won't see the field?' He said, 'No, son, you won't see the field.'"
Those comments again renewed the debate about how and why Wilson left NC State. Former teammate George Bryan said nobody on the team had animosity toward him.
"It was one of those situations where Coach O'Brien had to make a decision on what he needed to do, and he made his decision and everybody respected it," Bryan said. "We hated to see Russell go. If anybody on the team hated to see him go, I was one of them because I started off with Russell. We were redshirted together. We played on scout team together. We created a really good connection."
After Wilson hung up the phone in his hotel room in Rome, Georgia, in late April 2011, he felt emotional. He'd spent four years at NC State, the one school that supported his football and baseball dreams. He never wanted to leave. Now he had to make a decision.
Did he want to give up on football completely and focus solely on baseball? No. Wilson loved football and believed wholeheartedly he could be an NFL starting quarterback. But he also loved baseball and felt he had not given enough of himself to that sport, either.
"I was like, 'OK, am I going to play baseball the rest of my life?'" Wilson said. "'Is it going to be football? Is it going to be both? What does that look like?' That was really the harder challenge, to be honest with you."
Entire article: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...te-wisconsin-set-stage-joe-burrow-jalen-hurts
I always wondered exactly why Wilson left NCSU for Wisky, I had never heard some of those details before.
How Russell Wilson's transfer from NC State to Wisconsin set the stage for Joe Burrow and Jalen Hurts
Eight years ago, on the third floor of a Holiday Inn off Route 411 in Rome, Georgia, a single phone call set off a chain reaction that would someday affect Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts and all of college football.
Russell Wilson still remembers the call. "Like it was yesterday," he says now.
In town that spring to play a minor league baseball game as a second baseman with the Asheville Tourists, Wilson was on the line with his NC State football coach. Wilson had just missed spring practice to play baseball but wanted to return to the football team for his senior season.
Then Tom O'Brien told him he would no longer have his starting job.
A three-year starter at quarterback, Wilson could not accept that. What he did next took quite an emotional toll, but it fueled one of the biggest trends to shake the sport of college football -- the rise of graduate transfers.
Burrow and Hurts are only the most recent examples to use the grad transfer rule and flourish at a second school, taking their teams to the College Football Playoff semifinal at the Chick-Fil-A Peach Bowl on Saturday (4 p.m., ESPN and ESPN App).
They can thank Wilson for setting the stage. Wilson can thank Greg Paulus.
In 2006, the NCAA passed a rule that allowed graduates to be eligible to play if they transferred to a graduate program at another school regardless of sport and any previous transfer. But many administrators pushed back, believing they had just opened the door to free agency in their biggest sports.
Within nine months, membership overrode the rule. Any graduate in the sports of football, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball or men's ice hockey who wanted to transfer would need to go through the waiver process in order to play immediately.
Waivers opened the first door for graduate transfers such as Paulus. In 2009, Paulus made an unprecedented decision to leave the Duke basketball team after graduation and play his final remaining season of eligibility with the Syracuse football team. He got his waiver, and he started for the Orange. Beyond the oddity of switching sports, nothing Paulus did that season pushed him or his team into the national conversation. Syracuse went 4-8, and Paulus went on to coach basketball.
But what Paulus did stuck with Mark Rodgers, who worked as a baseball agent and also represented two-sport athletes -- including Wilson.
Growing up in Richmond, Virginia, Wilson starred in football and baseball and wanted to play both sports in college and the pros. NC State baseball coach Elliott Avent went to watch him play in a tournament in Salem, Virginia. He saw a raw shortstop who could make every throw and never missed a ball. A man sitting next to him in the stands turned to Avent and said, "Son, if you think he can play shortstop, you should see him throw a football. He's the best quarterback this state's ever had."
Avent stared at the man. Although he wasn't a football coach, he knew enough about football. So he started peppering the man with names. Better than Michael Vick and Ronald Curry?
"This guy told me, 'He's the best,'" Avent said.
So Avent told the Wolfpack football coaches about him. Wilson was largely ignored in recruiting circles because of his size: 5-foot-11, 180 pounds. NC State agreed to let him play football and baseball. Within a year, O'Brien took over as football coach, and the dynamic shifted. He expected Wilson around the team in the offseason, and that limited the amount of time Wilson had for baseball.
Still, Wilson decided to join the Colorado Rockies for spring training in early 2011 after they drafted him in the fourth round the previous year. He had already graduated and thought that missing spring football would not jeopardize his spot on the team.
But O'Brien had another quarterback he felt good about in four-star prospect Mike Glennon. O'Brien faced a dilemma. Do you tell Wilson he can come back and risk losing Glennon, who has waited for his chance to start? And what if Wilson decides to forgo football and Glennon has already left the team?
O'Brien did not return a phone message seeking comment, but he said in 2014, "Michael would have graduated that year. He could move on if he wanted to at the end of that year. So that was just all part of the decision-making process. It had to happen. You could have one quarterback, you could have two quarterbacks or you could have no quarterbacks." In 2016, Wilson made headlines when he delivered the commencement speech at Wisconsin and gave a different take on his call with O'Brien.
"He said, 'Listen, son, you're never going to play in the National Football League,'" Wilson told the Wisconsin graduates. 'You're too small. There's no chance. You've got no shot. Give it up.' Of course, I'm on this side of the phone saying, 'So you're telling me I'm not coming back to NC State? I won't see the field?' He said, 'No, son, you won't see the field.'"
Those comments again renewed the debate about how and why Wilson left NC State. Former teammate George Bryan said nobody on the team had animosity toward him.
"It was one of those situations where Coach O'Brien had to make a decision on what he needed to do, and he made his decision and everybody respected it," Bryan said. "We hated to see Russell go. If anybody on the team hated to see him go, I was one of them because I started off with Russell. We were redshirted together. We played on scout team together. We created a really good connection."
After Wilson hung up the phone in his hotel room in Rome, Georgia, in late April 2011, he felt emotional. He'd spent four years at NC State, the one school that supported his football and baseball dreams. He never wanted to leave. Now he had to make a decision.
Did he want to give up on football completely and focus solely on baseball? No. Wilson loved football and believed wholeheartedly he could be an NFL starting quarterback. But he also loved baseball and felt he had not given enough of himself to that sport, either.
"I was like, 'OK, am I going to play baseball the rest of my life?'" Wilson said. "'Is it going to be football? Is it going to be both? What does that look like?' That was really the harder challenge, to be honest with you."
Entire article: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...te-wisconsin-set-stage-joe-burrow-jalen-hurts
I always wondered exactly why Wilson left NCSU for Wisky, I had never heard some of those details before.
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Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy
Chose UGA over Clemson and OSU
https://www.buckeyeplanet.com/forum/threads/cade-mays-ol-georgia-bulldogs.653938/
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