SayNoToMichigan;1627107; said:
I'm sick of these cocky fan's from a second rate program....I don't wanna beat them, I wanna [censored]'em up.
I mean I'm all for staying classy or whatever have, but this [censored] is gettin outta hand. It's still Oregon....Don't get were all this swag is comin' from for those Duck fan's and players...
Buckeye fans, you need to understand why Oregon and PAC-10 fans don?t think as much of Ohio State and the Big Ten as you do. Most of you won?t agree, but you at least need to see it. Your view of your team and your league is based more on the relatively distant past than on the recent past and present. This game isn?t being contested in 1960, 1970, or even 2002. Similarly, your view of your opponents is based on your standards of what works in college football, which is what works in your league. In our view, both your style and view of football are out of date and a step behind, and recent history shows it to be true. The team with the big, strong line doesn?t win all the time anymore?your analysis of this Rose Bowl based on that is laughable to us. The Big Ten and Ohio State don?t perform well against other good competition lately, and it?s because what you do doesn?t work against good competition?.IN TODAY?S WORLD. You are not learning from history and you are repeating it. Here is what we see ?
We see a Big Ten that hasn?t had a winning bowl season since the 2002 OSU national championship year. We see 15-28 in bowls the last six seasons. We see 1-6 in bowls last year. Worse, we see six straight Big Ten BCS losses, by an average of over 17 points. The last Big Ten Rose Bowl win was ten years ago. That?s what?s happened lately.
USC has won ten straight against the Big Ten, mostly by big margins and mostly against the Big Ten?s best teams. We don?t just see one game you lost to them early this year and one that we won big ? we see a larger reality. Your style of football is ineffective against good teams that play faster and more wide open football. That?s why you?re 0-9 in bowls against the SEC. USC, by the way, has lost its last four games in the state of Oregon. Why should we fear this matchup? Ohio State is the exact kind of team that Oregon plays well against. Oregon is the exact kind of team Ohio State struggles against. That wasn?t true of our fathers? Buckeyes and Ducks, but it is true today.
Since Chip Kelly came to Oregon the Ducks are 5-0 against BCS teams out of league, including two double-digit bowl wins in which they were underdogs. That run includes a visit to Ann Arbor in which the Ducks rolled up a bigger margin (39-7) than the Buckeyes EVER have won by there. In the same three years Ohio State is 1-4 vs. BCS teams out of league. The one win was against PAC-10 doormat Washington?.Ohio State trailed at halftime in that one, and the 33-14 margin was less than any of Oregon?s in any of its last six games against Washington.
Last year Oklahoma State fans talked a lot about how soft the PAC-10 was and about their gaudy rushing offense and defense stats. The Cowboys got outrushed 307-119 in the Duck win and afterward some of the fans whined about Oregon being dirty because our safety put a big hit on their QB (not to mention our QB putting one on their safety). They had trouble accepting that Oregon could do that to their mighty team, but it happened. Does it sound like any recent big Ohio State bowl losses? It does to me.
One more thing you have to understand about us ? we have a chip (so to speak) on our shoulder about the opportunities our team has gotten compared to the ones your team and league regularly get. The Big Ten continues losing big bowl games and gets two BCS teams every year while the PAC-10 never gets two BCS teams. The 2005 Ducks lost one game all season ? to top-ranked unbeaten USC ? and were ranked #5 at the end of the year. BCS bowl? Nope. New Year?s Day? Nope. Holiday Bowl. We look at your 2002 title team compared with our 2001 team and what might have been for us. Your team was second in the polls and played Miami for the BCS title?.you won. You deserved it. In 2001, Oregon was ranked second in both polls. BCS title game? Nope. That went to Nebraska, who didn?t even make the Big 12 title game. Colorado (#3 in BCS), who won the Big 12 and scored 62 on Nebraska in the last game of the season, matched up with Oregon (#4 in the BCS) in the Fiesta Bowl and Oregon won 38-16 (it was 38-7 in mid-4th quarter too). Everyone acknowledged that Oregon should have played Miami. That type of slight wouldn?t sit well with your fan base, but you never face that kind of slight. We have, and now we have a chance to play Ohio State in the Rose Bowl. We think this is a perfect opportunity to validate our view. We also expect it to happen, as we think recent history points to it quite clearly.
I might be wrong in my expectation of an Oregon win, and if I am I will return here and say so. I?ll be interested in what you say if the Ducks win
