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Leinart And Other Thoughts

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sandgk said:
1- Young
2 - Bush
3 - Stanton
4 - Leinart

With the top 3 well distant from number 4, and 1 and 2 swappable in any given week. If Bush had his performance on a down week for VY then he'd get my 1st place vote. As it is I can't take Young of the top when he almost single-handledly chokes off the Buffs.
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Due to all the great games Saturday, VY's 25 of 29 (for 336 yards with no picks) passing performance, and 5 overall TD's against a ranked opponent received very little coverage.

VY and Leinhart both have 12 TD's and 5 interceptions right now. Their yards/attempt are both a hair under 10 yards. And VY's completion percentage is 67.3% to Leinart's 63.1%. Factor in VY's contribution with their running game and it shouldn't a close contest between the 2 of them at this point.
 
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If I were voting it would be:

Young
Bush
Drew
Stanton
Hawk

Our defense basically came out and said "Vince has to beat us in the air" and he did. Very few said he could. He proved us all wrong. He has not had a poor performance yet this year. Vince is in a league of his own right now. Bush is second.

But I see Bush winning it because the media is so busy blowing USC.

I put Hawk in fifth simply to avoid the homer tag. He really belongs ahead of Stanton. Unlike previous years, there are too many offensive players having huge seasons to give a linebacker the nod. Although he certainly deserves the invite to New York, he'll have to settle for the Butkus and the Bednarik.
 
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BB73 said:
Due to all the great games Saturday, VY's 25 of 29 (for 336 yards with no picks) passing performance, and 5 overall TD's against a ranked opponent received very little coverage.

VY and Leinhart both have 12 TD's and 5 interceptions right now. Their yards/attempt are both a hair under 10 yards. And VY's completion percentage is 67.3% to Leinart's 63.1%. Factor in VY's contribution with their running game and it shouldn't a close contest between the 2 of them at this point.
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Yep - for young it was 3 if by land (equalling Bush's total) but 2 through the air seal the deal. Its the second time he has accounted for a majority of the scoring in consecutive games. In fact past the comeback in the Shoe he has been on a tear - with only the game against Rice as one where a crumudgeon could argue he did less to win a game. But then again, against Rice why not have their running backs carry the load?

As I come to think of it, the only thing he has yet to do to add shine to his Heisman campaign is Catch The Ball.

Bush is no slouch either, but Young is coming on at the right time of the year.
 
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this is nothing more than sour grapes, but there were also two (imo)Touchdown catches in the Mizzou game that were called incomplete and then not even reviewed. Vince eneded that game with 1td and 1int instead of 3:1. Since that game, the big12 has said that up to 14 penalties or nocalls that went agianst texas were wrong. By the way, the same crew is reffing the Tech game this weekend.
 
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scooter1369 said:
If I were voting it would be:

Young
Bush
Drew
Stanton
Hawk

Our defense basically came out and said "Vince has to beat us in the air" and he did. Very few said he could. He proved us all wrong. He has not had a poor performance yet this year. Vince is in a league of his own right now. Bush is second.

But I see Bush winning it because the media is so busy blowing USC.

I put Hawk in fifth simply to avoid the homer tag. He really belongs ahead of Stanton. Unlike previous years, there are too many offensive players having huge seasons to give a linebacker the nod. Although he certainly deserves the invite to New York, he'll have to settle for the Butkus and the Bednarik.
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Don't forget about the Lombardi and the Nagurski! :wink2:
 
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1/22

<table align="center" bgcolor="" border="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr><td>USC football notes: Leinart cited by Pac-10 for using his own coach
<!--subtitle--> <!--top author info--> <table align="center" border="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="articleByline"> <!-- overline--> By Scott Wolf, Staff Writer </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
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</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3" class="articleBody" align="left"> The Pacific-10 Conference determined USC quarterback Matt Leinart broke NCAA rules this season when he worked out with his long-time private coach. Leinart went through at least one workout with his personal coach, Steve Clarkson, who runs the Air 7 football academy. The Daily News reported on Oct. 18 that Leinart worked out with Clarkson on Howard Jones Field several hours before USC practiced.
According to a memo issued by the Pac-10 and received by USC, "an outside consultant can not work with a (student-athlete) on the institution's facilities unless the individual is counted against the applicable coaching limits."
As a result of the incident, Leinart, USC coach Pete Carroll and staff members were required to undergo a rules review session.
"(The Pac-10) questioned it, it's his guy he's had for 10 years," Carroll said. "It's not a big deal."
Leinart referred to Clarkson as part of his "management team" in a recent statement announcing that Creative Artists Agency would represent Leinart and Air 7. The NCAA also reprimanded Leinart last month for doing a promotional ad for ESPN and prevented him from speaking to the media for several weeks as punishment.

Scott Wolf, (818) 713-3607 [email protected]
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sounds like a weak response... the rule doesn't seem to include a "well we were ole pals" loophole, unless I'm missing something (Carroll's poo-pooing of the rule has to make the NCAA happy). More unintentional violations by SC, albeit yet another minor one, but a new one seems to pop up every month or so.
 
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leinart vs. young

You have the first pick in the upcoming NFL draft as the GM of the newest expansion team, the Columbus Don'tNeedaNameThisIsHypothetical's. You've decided to take a QB to be the foundation for your new team (let's just assume Bush is out of the question). Who do you take-- Leinart or Young? Discuss...
 
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If I know it is going to be a patchwork OL for a while, I go with Young. If a somewhat mobile Carr got beat up badly in Houston, then Leinart is going to get destroyed without a great OL like he had at USC.
 
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osugrad21 said:
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<TABLE width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>USC football notes: Leinart cited by Pac-10 for using his own coach
<!--subtitle--><!--top author info--><TABLE width="100%" align=center border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=articleByline><!-- overline-->By Scott Wolf, Staff Writer </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

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</TD></TR><TR><TD class=articleBody align=left colSpan=3>The Pacific-10 Conference determined USC quarterback Matt Leinart broke NCAA rules this season when he worked out with his long-time private coach. Leinart went through at least one workout with his personal coach, Steve Clarkson, who runs the Air 7 football academy. The Daily News reported on Oct. 18 that Leinart worked out with Clarkson on Howard Jones Field several hours before USC practiced.
According to a memo issued by the Pac-10 and received by USC, "an outside consultant can not work with a (student-athlete) on the institution's facilities unless the individual is counted against the applicable coaching limits."
As a result of the incident, Leinart, USC coach Pete Carroll and staff members were required to undergo a rules review session.
"(The Pac-10) questioned it, it's his guy he's had for 10 years," Carroll said. "It's not a big deal."
Leinart referred to Clarkson as part of his "management team" in a recent statement announcing that Creative Artists Agency would represent Leinart and Air 7. The NCAA also reprimanded Leinart last month for doing a promotional ad for ESPN and prevented him from speaking to the media for several weeks as punishment.

Scott Wolf, (818) 713-3607 [email protected]

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This Scott Wolf guy doesn't know the first thing about real journalism. Not one mention in that entire article was about Ohio State, Maurice Clarett, or Troy Smith.
 
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Dispatch

4/13/06

NFL | NOTEBOOK

Agent Steinberg unsure why he was fired by USC’s Leinart

Thursday, April 13, 2006


ASSOCIATED PRESS

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</IMG> </TD></TR><TR><TD class=credit width=200>RIC FRANCIS | ASSOCIATED PRESS </TD></TR><TR><TD class=cutline width=200>Southern California quarterback Matt Leinart has to wait five days before signing with another agent. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>


Southern California quarterback Matt Leinart fired agent Leigh Steinberg less than three weeks before the NFL draft, where he is expected to be among the top three choices.
Steinberg, who has represented some of the top quarterbacks during the past 25 years, said yesterday that he didn’t know the reason for the move.
Leinart, however, also is represented by Creative Artists Agency. Last week, the agency hired Tom Condon, who represents such quarterbacks as Peyton and Eli Manning, Drew Brees and Alex Smith, the No. 1 pick last year by San Francisco. Condon previously worked for International Management Group.
Leinart has not yet selected another agent. Players’ union rules require a player to wait five days after leaving one agent before hiring a new one. Steinberg said he hopes to lure back Leinart during the waiting period. Steinberg represents Pittsburgh quarterback Ben Roethlisberger and has had such clients as Hall of Famers Troy Aikman, Steve Young and Warren Moon.
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For a woman, the term "statuesque" is a great compliment, but for an NFL QB, it is bad news.
I think Leinart is too statuesque for some of the teams with top draft choices, and he may be falling a bit. I guess he thinks his very slow 40 times were Steinberg's fault.
 
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