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And mine asks, then why did Ohio State drop so much to increase capacity? Do you think it's just a statistical oddity that the four most successful programs in the Big Ten have stadiums at, or above, the 90,000 mark? Do you not agree that 106,000 X $50 is > 67,000 X 50? Even when the TV pot is split evenly, those with bigger stadiums end up with more money to spend on recruiting, coaches, facilities.

You can build as many seats as you want to. If the on field product is so bad you can't fill them it's just an extra expense. Judging by the BOGO ticket offers this past year I'd say they are officially having trouble selling tickets.

Even with two bad coaching choices they managed to remain above .550. It will be rougher on them because they are in a far better division of the conference and can anticipate losses to Ohio state, Michigan State and Penn State for the next year or two.

This isn't baseball, .550 is terrible in a sport where you get to hand pick 4 of your 12 opponents every year. scUM isn't relevant and what's more...it has zero negative effect on OSU.

Obviously this pains you but, regardless, its a fact.


Ohio State started a season with Joe Bauserman at QB and still managed to become bowl eligible. And to be in the FBSCS with a third stringer calling signals is beyond comprehension were it not so. QB definitely has to be addressed and I don't think anyone knows that better then the Michigan football program. They may get lucky this fall, and like the Buckeyes, begin with a limited QB who turns into a better than average QB, or they may, as you suggest struggle for at least two more years. I still believe that history stands with Michigan. They've been a solid program in the past and they have all they need to be a solid program in the future and if they don't land a major name coach remember how you felt when Ohio state announced that Jim Tressel was the new head coach... Obviously some "big names" didn't think Columbus was the best destination for their future.

The worst coach OSU has hired in the past 70 years was John Cooper (who's name causes me to spit after saying or hearing it to this day). That said, John Cooper >>>>>>Brady Hoke or Rich Rod.

As far as all the hope/get lucky/history on their side stuff it's wishful thinking. Maybe it will happen, most likely it won't. Drawing these obscure parallels between OSU and scUM doesn't reinforce your central point, which is good scUM is good for OSU, at all.

Sorry if researching offends your sense of fairness. As bad as things have been at Michigan - and they've been bad since 2006 - they've still managed to win more than they've lost.
Which again means next to nothing in the sport of football where 1/3 of your opponents are cupcakes every year.

Beyond that what I'm saying can be broken down into two parts: 1) with respect to The Game, Michigan's 2 and 12 run is not unlike the 6 - 13 - 1 streak the Buckeyes suffered through in the 80s - 90s.
Except that it is different. First of all 6-13-1 is a .325 win % and 2-12 is .143 win%. That's a difference. Second, the OSU streak can be laid at the feet of one man John F Cooper who was 2-10-1 in The Game. Every other OSU coach Woody, Earle, Tressel and Now Meyer has had a winning record in The Game.


2) Just as the Buckeyes were able to turn things around because they had money, alum support, great facilities, a 90K+ stadium and history behind them, so till will Michigan ultimately turn their program around and for the exact same reasons.

Maybe, maybe not. See Notre Dame.

There is a big difference in recognizing the probability of a change in their fate and wishing for it because of some misguided notion that it's good for OSU. It isn't.
 
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Actually, I like this one.

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You can build as many seats as you want to. If the on field product is so bad you can't fill them it's just an extra expense. Judging by the BOGO ticket offers this past year I'd say they are officially having trouble selling tickets.



This isn't baseball, .550 is terrible in a sport where you get to hand pick 4 of your 12 opponents every year. scUM isn't relevant and what's more...it has zero negative effect on OSU.

Obviously this pains you but, regardless, its a fact.




The worst coach OSU has hired in the past 70 years was John Cooper (who's name causes me to spit after saying or hearing it to this day). That said, John Cooper >>>>>>Brady Hoke or Rich Rod.

As far as all the hope/get lucky/history on their side stuff it's wishful thinking. Maybe it will happen, most likely it won't. Drawing these obscure parallels between OSU and scUM doesn't reinforce your central point, which is good scUM is good for OSU, at all.


Which again means next to nothing in the sport of football where 1/3 of your opponents are cupcakes every year.

Except that it is different. First of all 6-13-1 is a .325 win % and 2-12 is .143 win%. That's a difference. Second, the OSU streak can be laid at the feet of one man John F Cooper who was 2-10-1 in The Game. Every other OSU coach Woody, Earle, Tressel and Now Meyer has had a winning record in The Game.




Maybe, maybe not. See Notre Dame.

There is a big difference in recognizing the probability of a change in their fate and wishing for it because of some misguided notion that it's good for OSU. It isn't.
Yeah, and TTUN's helmets suck too!
 
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I yield. You're right, big stadiums are a drawback, not only did Michigan have trouble selling tickets, they didn't make as much money as schools with smaller stadiums, all of Michigan's victories took place in the 19th century, it doesn't matter because in the 21st century Sparty and Wiscy are going to replace The Game, Michigan with an endowment fund approximately 3 times that of Ohio State, has little fiscal flexibility to deal with its problems, winning and losing streaks in the past are irrelevant in the case of Ohio State football, unless they indicate something you believe in, say like picking a coach based on his record at Youngstown State, Bob Stoops did NOT turn down the OSU job, having an active alum base only gets in the way of choosing the right coach, even if Mississippi State hadn't lost to Ol' Piss, the Buckeyes would have been in the FBSCP because of their SOS, any NC won by Michigan is only a half championship, whereas ALL of Ohio State's NCs are unshared.

Where you are wrong is in stating that I WISH for Michigan to be relevant again. I simply look at the assets the university has at hand and conclude that those assets will apply to success in the future, just as they did when Ohio State football recovered from the end of the Earl Bruce era, just as they did when Alabama went through their lost decade, just as they have when Texas, Oklahoma, USC and Notre Dame have in the past. I also believe that having strong teams in the conference is of benefit to all teams in that conference - on the order of a rising tide lifts all ships. Thus it's not so much that I want Michigan to be good as it is that I don't want the Big Ten to suck.

You are also wrong to suggest that Zwem is arrogant simply because he's a Michigan fan. You're response to his reasoned statement, "You fuckheads claim 11 national titles and have only managed to win 1/2 of one since gaddamned WWII ended. Thus the 1900's talk.As always, you may not like to hear it but your baseless arrogance leads to the flack you take," seems to me to be of the essence of the vary quality you see in Zwem and Michigan fans - arrogant.
 
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According to the recruiting rankings? I suppose... but then again that's circular logic since recruiting rankings are largely built on offers, not actual scouting.
And it looks like none of those allegedly blue chip recruits panned out... is that all development? I have a feeling a lot of those kids would've been busts no matter where they went. ie: 5star Wristband Bandit.

Michigan doesn't have national pull anymore. While being higher in the pecking order than most of the Conference, you're currently relegated to the leftovers in the State of Ohio after tOSU and ND. Maybe even Michigan State and Kentucky. You've even lost some hold over your own in-state factory, Cass Tech.
This isn't just a problem facing Michigan, it's a problem facing all 8 of the 19th century members of the conference (not counting Chicago). If any of you wants to stop your slip into irrelevancy, you'll have to reinvest in HS sports or just pray that they figure it out on their own.

You have a case with Shane Morris. He didn't have that great of an offer list and had pedestrian high school numbers.

Michigan in those 2 years had several players with offers from multiple powerhouse programs. The problem with Rich Rod was that he wasn't getting talented guys to Michigan. Brady Hoke seemed to do that, but the development just wasn't there. Recruiting will not be much of an issue IMO. They may not get classes like Alabama, Florida St.,etc. However, Michigan should be in top 10-15 every year with recruiting. Development and discipline seems to be the main issue right now.

I don't worry about the national pull as much as I do with the coaching staff. Get a solid coaching staff in here and the national pull will take care of itself. Michigan just needs to focus on right now and not the past. It's fine to sell tradition but you have to live in the present. Is Michigan an elite job right now? No it's not. Can it be? Yes it can with the resources at our disposal. Will we be lucky to get a solid coaching staff? Time will tell.
 
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The collective "your" baseless arrogance.

scUM fans on Buckeye sites get painted with broad brushes. Comes with the territory.

Difficulty of a NC is a straw man. You were whining about the "1900's crap", I was sharing a major reason why people hammer on it.

FWIW 1954, 1957, 1968, 2002 all since WWII. 4 > 1/2

You can hammer it all you want which is fine with me. I don't whine about 1900s. I never talk about the prehistoric days of football. It's nice to read about the history but it's irrelevant. In terms of winning national titles we suck (Mike Lantry ruined that for Bo). Winning games is where Michigan has excelled though. Michigan is near the top of the list with winning games and conference titles from the late 60s until Richrod was hired. Lack of national titles does diminish that and I will admit that. However, in terms on consistent winning, Michigan is right there with anybody from that time period. That's why I think the 1900s crap is hilarious.
 
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A Michigan fan on a Buckeye complaining about people saying mean things about Michigan. :lol:

When it comes to ugly helmets, Notre Dame's are right up there. The golden dome - we get it. :roll1:
 
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