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BuckeyeKid789
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Why is Greenway considered a better player than Bobby? Greenway's production in terms of tackles was way better than Bobby's but if I had to take one over the other I'd definitely take the more athletic and versitile player. Anyone else agree with this or do you guys consider Greenway better?
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buckeyeboy
Still fortitudinous
No kidding. The team that drafts Greenway ahead of Carpenter is going to be kicking itself in 3 years.
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Heck, I am just glad Greenway sucked enough at the combine so he won't be the Browns pick at #12.
But let's face facts, the reason Carpenter is not rated higher is because of the injury issue. They could not see Carpenter at 100% in his drills so to them he gets knocked down slightly for the injury. Greenway is more "safer" in regards to health. But even then I still see Carpenter being taken before Greenway as Greenway will fall compared to Carpenter being entrenched in the last 10 of the first round.
But let's face facts, the reason Carpenter is not rated higher is because of the injury issue. They could not see Carpenter at 100% in his drills so to them he gets knocked down slightly for the injury. Greenway is more "safer" in regards to health. But even then I still see Carpenter being taken before Greenway as Greenway will fall compared to Carpenter being entrenched in the last 10 of the first round.
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Talented Carpenter emerges from teammate's shadow
By Larry Mayer
April 5, 2006
The following is the third in a series of features on the top college players who could be available when the Bears pick at No. 26 in the first round of the April 29-30 NFL Draft: LAKE FOREST, Ill. - Being overshadowed by fellow Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk, a two-time All-American and likely top-10 draft pick, never bothered Bobby Carpenter.
"A.J. is a great player," Carpenter told the Toledo Blade last season. "He deserves what he gets. We're great friends off the field. I'm not jealous. I think A.J. doing well helps all of us. When you play with a great player, it makes you better."
Bobby Carpenter joined A.J. Hawk and Anthony Schlegel at Ohio State to form one of the NCAA's top linebacking trios. Carpenter could join his more famous Buckeyes teammate in the first round of the draft. The 6-3, 256-pounder boasts a rare combination of size, speed and athleticism with excellent instincts.
A reserve in his first two seasons at Ohio State, Carpenter registered 12 tackles in 14 games as a freshman and 37 tackles and 4½ sacks as a sophomore. Becoming a starter as a junior, he had 93 tackles, three interceptions and two sacks in 2004 and 49 tackles and eight sacks last year.
As a senior, Carpenter shifted from his natural position to defensive end in passing situations.
"(Coaches) wanted to make sure that we got all of our linebackers on the field in nickel situations," he said. "Other teams take a linebacker out and put in a DB. We took out a d-lineman and just moved me to the edge. It helped our defensive speed and I think helped our pass rush."
Carpenter missed the Fiesta Bowl against Notre Dame after breaking his ankle in the Buckeyes' regular-season finale against rival Michigan. Now about 90 percent healthy, he impressed NFL scouts during position drills at Ohio State's Pro Day workout March 9 in Columbus.
According to NFL.com, Carpenter was timed at 4.66 and 4.68 in the 40-yard dash, 4.31 in the short shuttle and 6.88 in the three-cone drill. He also had a vertical jump of 34½ inches and a broad jump of 10-foot-4 and bench-pressed 225 pounds 20 times.
Carpenter's father, Rob, played 10 NFL seasons as a running back with the Houston Oilers (1977-81), New York Giants (1981-85) and Los Angeles Rams (1986).
Rob coached Bobby at Lancaster High School in Ohio but never forced his son to play football.
"It was an interesting experience," said Bobby, the oldest of four boys. "I wasn't allowed to play football until I was 13 and he coached me from then on out, but he never really pushed me.
"He just always made sure that the door was open for whatever I wanted to do, whether it was working out or getting some extra film in and then even working with my brothers. We have an extremely competitive family. Everyone wants to be the best, so it's a tough road to hoe."
Rob Carpenter realized all along that his son's relentless work ethic would help him in whatever career path he chose to pursue.
"I knew Bobby would be successful at whatever he did," Rob said. "He turned himself into a football player by hitting the weight room and outworking both his opponents and teammates."
In the NFL, Carpenter projects as an eventual starter who possesses the mentality and skill to contribute immediately on special teams.
Draft guru Mel Kiper Jr. ranks Carpenter as the fifth best linebacker in the draft behind Hawk, Iowa's Chad Greenway, Florida State's Ernie Sims and Alabama's DeMeco Ryans.
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Talented Carpenter emerges from teammate's shadow
By Larry Mayer
April 5, 2006
The following is the third in a series of features on the top college players who could be available when the Bears pick at No. 26 in the first round of the April 29-30 NFL Draft: LAKE FOREST, Ill. - Being overshadowed by fellow Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk, a two-time All-American and likely top-10 draft pick, never bothered Bobby Carpenter.
"A.J. is a great player," Carpenter told the Toledo Blade last season. "He deserves what he gets. We're great friends off the field. I'm not jealous. I think A.J. doing well helps all of us. When you play with a great player, it makes you better."
Bobby Carpenter joined A.J. Hawk and Anthony Schlegel at Ohio State to form one of the NCAA's top linebacking trios. Carpenter could join his more famous Buckeyes teammate in the first round of the draft. The 6-3, 256-pounder boasts a rare combination of size, speed and athleticism with excellent instincts.
A reserve in his first two seasons at Ohio State, Carpenter registered 12 tackles in 14 games as a freshman and 37 tackles and 4½ sacks as a sophomore. Becoming a starter as a junior, he had 93 tackles, three interceptions and two sacks in 2004 and 49 tackles and eight sacks last year.
As a senior, Carpenter shifted from his natural position to defensive end in passing situations.
"(Coaches) wanted to make sure that we got all of our linebackers on the field in nickel situations," he said. "Other teams take a linebacker out and put in a DB. We took out a d-lineman and just moved me to the edge. It helped our defensive speed and I think helped our pass rush."
Carpenter missed the Fiesta Bowl against Notre Dame after breaking his ankle in the Buckeyes' regular-season finale against rival Michigan. Now about 90 percent healthy, he impressed NFL scouts during position drills at Ohio State's Pro Day workout March 9 in Columbus.
According to NFL.com, Carpenter was timed at 4.66 and 4.68 in the 40-yard dash, 4.31 in the short shuttle and 6.88 in the three-cone drill. He also had a vertical jump of 34½ inches and a broad jump of 10-foot-4 and bench-pressed 225 pounds 20 times.
Carpenter's father, Rob, played 10 NFL seasons as a running back with the Houston Oilers (1977-81), New York Giants (1981-85) and Los Angeles Rams (1986).
Rob coached Bobby at Lancaster High School in Ohio but never forced his son to play football.
"It was an interesting experience," said Bobby, the oldest of four boys. "I wasn't allowed to play football until I was 13 and he coached me from then on out, but he never really pushed me.
"He just always made sure that the door was open for whatever I wanted to do, whether it was working out or getting some extra film in and then even working with my brothers. We have an extremely competitive family. Everyone wants to be the best, so it's a tough road to hoe."
Rob Carpenter realized all along that his son's relentless work ethic would help him in whatever career path he chose to pursue.
"I knew Bobby would be successful at whatever he did," Rob said. "He turned himself into a football player by hitting the weight room and outworking both his opponents and teammates."
In the NFL, Carpenter projects as an eventual starter who possesses the mentality and skill to contribute immediately on special teams.
Draft guru Mel Kiper Jr. ranks Carpenter as the fifth best linebacker in the draft behind Hawk, Iowa's Chad Greenway, Florida State's Ernie Sims and Alabama's DeMeco Ryans.
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ScarletBlood31
Buckeye in Blacksburg
Wherever Carp ends up, he will be fine. The team that drafts him will be getting a great player, and will know it when he starts to get on the field. Let's not get caught up on his draft hype, or comparisons to Greenway, and just be proud of him as a representative of tOSU, and wherever he may land in The League.
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BGriffBuckeye
Haaaang on Sloopy, Sloopy Hang on!! O.. H.. I.. O.
Adding Carp to that Bears defense would outstanding for them. It would be sweet to see him and Uralcher go after ballcarriers!
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bucknut11
Defense still wins Championships
In many ways, Carp may have it easier than AJ in the first few years. If he goes lower in the first round, he'll be on a better team, presumably surrounded by better defensive teammates. I've seen mentions of him going to the Bears, Patriots, and Steelers, all of which are excellent defensive teams. If you're a LB going into the NFL, the Bears and Steelers are at the forefront of historically defensive teams.
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hawg73
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Thanks to all Buckeye fans for this very entertaining and informative thread (and a nice forum).
I'm a New England Patriots fan who figured I'd check this site out for info about Bobby Carpenter-- mainly what kind of guy he is and I got more than I bargained for in reading this entire thread. I believe the phrase "true fucking Warrior" pretty much sums it up.
The Patriots don't screw around when it comes to linebackers and I feel confident that he is one guy that the coaches would love to put in the lineup right next to Mike Vrabel (I'd like Shlegel as well, but that's a topic for a different thread) and we could sorely use a 3-4 linebacker that can handle the demands of the job, is smart and can get after the QB.
We don't draft guys who have questionable attitudes and it sure sounds like the opposite is true of Carpenter. He is right out of central casting for the Pats and if he is still around at 21 I'd be shocked if we passed on him.
Thanks in advance for any ex-Buckeyes that you send our way, especially him. Your guys tend to know what they are doing.
Great thread.
I'm a New England Patriots fan who figured I'd check this site out for info about Bobby Carpenter-- mainly what kind of guy he is and I got more than I bargained for in reading this entire thread. I believe the phrase "true fucking Warrior" pretty much sums it up.
The Patriots don't screw around when it comes to linebackers and I feel confident that he is one guy that the coaches would love to put in the lineup right next to Mike Vrabel (I'd like Shlegel as well, but that's a topic for a different thread) and we could sorely use a 3-4 linebacker that can handle the demands of the job, is smart and can get after the QB.
We don't draft guys who have questionable attitudes and it sure sounds like the opposite is true of Carpenter. He is right out of central casting for the Pats and if he is still around at 21 I'd be shocked if we passed on him.
Thanks in advance for any ex-Buckeyes that you send our way, especially him. Your guys tend to know what they are doing.
Great thread.
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Another Carpenter in Giant blueprint?
Tuesday, April 11, 2006
By VINNY DiTRANI
STAFF WRITER
The Carpenters have a photo of son Bobby when he was 2 years old at Giants training camp at Pace University in 1985. He's walking among the legions of geese that populated the campus while trying to avoid what geese always leave in their trail.
Now they would like to add another picture of Bobby at Giants camp, this time at the University at Albany, where geese are few but linebackers may be even fewer.
The son of former Giants running back Rob Carpenter is one of several outside 'backers the franchise might consider with its first pick in the April 29 draft (No. 25 in the opening round). With just three experienced linebackers on the roster, it's almost imperative that the Giants add one with their first-round selection. And after a stellar career at Ohio State, the younger Carpenter has drawn first-round mention in draft rooms around the league.
He has been part of a Buckeye defense that may have as many as seven players drafted, including all three linebackers. Carpenter was overshadowed somewhat by A.J. Hawk, his good friend and early-morning weight-room companion since they played together in an Ohio high school all-star game. But he gained prominence early in his senior season with a 10-tackle effort against eventual national champion Texas.
"It would be nice if he wound up with the Giants," said his father, who also was his coach at Lancaster (Ohio) High School, where he heads the football program. "I enjoyed my time there; it is a class organization. I came from an organization [Houston Oilers] which wasn't that good, and I was surprised how well the Giants treated people.
"We still keep in touch with our neighbors from Ramsey, Jack and Betty Fulkrod, on almost a daily basis. Bobby used to wander over to their house when he got bored with us. I'm sure he'd have somewhere to stay if the Giants drafted him."
Rob Carpenter joined the Giants in a trade with the Oilers during the 1981 season and stayed through 1985, leading the team in rushing in 1981 and 1984. In all he spent 10 seasons in the NFL with the Oilers, Giants and Rams, rushing for 4,363 yards and 29 touchdowns.
He returned to his native Lancaster to coach football in 1998, when Bobby was a high school freshman. He since has coached a second son, Jonathan, now a sophomore linebacker at Cincinnati, and will have two sons, senior running back George and freshman quarterback Nathan, on his team in the fall.
Yet with all the footballs flying around the house, Rob was kind of surprised Bobby chose the sport over some of the others he took part in as a youngster.
"The question was not whether Bobby would be good, but what sport he would choose to be good in. He was a talented swimmer, soccer player and basketball player. I really thought he'd go into basketball."
"He never really forced me to play football," Bobby Carpenter said. "I wasn't allowed to play football until I was 13, and he coached me from then on out, but never really pushed.
"He always just made sure the door was open for whatever I wanted to do, whether it was working out extra or getting some extra film in."
The extra film work has been a Bobby Carpenter staple since his youth.
"I would tape his swim meets or soccer games so his grandparents could see them," said Rob. "But soon Bobby was watching the tapes, analyzing his own performance, then analyzing his teammates', then analyzing the opposition.
"That's always been one of his strengths as a player. He studies hard, knows what to do and he never misses an assignment."
Bobby's senior year ended when he broke his right fibula on the first play of the regular-season finale against Michigan. He missed the Buckeyes' date against Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl and was not ready to work out at the NFL combine in late February. He was about 90 percent for the Buckeyes' March 9 pro day, but still ran a 4.65 in the 40-yard dash at 256 pounds.
"Playing in the NFL has been his goal," said his father. "He got to win a national championship as a freshman; he even made the first tackle of that season on kickoff coverage against Texas Tech at their 8-yard line. Now he wants to win a Super Bowl. And I know someday he will. That's the kind of kid he is."
E-mail: [email protected]
Another Carpenter in Giant blueprint?
Tuesday, April 11, 2006
By VINNY DiTRANI
STAFF WRITER
The Carpenters have a photo of son Bobby when he was 2 years old at Giants training camp at Pace University in 1985. He's walking among the legions of geese that populated the campus while trying to avoid what geese always leave in their trail.
Now they would like to add another picture of Bobby at Giants camp, this time at the University at Albany, where geese are few but linebackers may be even fewer.
The son of former Giants running back Rob Carpenter is one of several outside 'backers the franchise might consider with its first pick in the April 29 draft (No. 25 in the opening round). With just three experienced linebackers on the roster, it's almost imperative that the Giants add one with their first-round selection. And after a stellar career at Ohio State, the younger Carpenter has drawn first-round mention in draft rooms around the league.
He has been part of a Buckeye defense that may have as many as seven players drafted, including all three linebackers. Carpenter was overshadowed somewhat by A.J. Hawk, his good friend and early-morning weight-room companion since they played together in an Ohio high school all-star game. But he gained prominence early in his senior season with a 10-tackle effort against eventual national champion Texas.
"It would be nice if he wound up with the Giants," said his father, who also was his coach at Lancaster (Ohio) High School, where he heads the football program. "I enjoyed my time there; it is a class organization. I came from an organization [Houston Oilers] which wasn't that good, and I was surprised how well the Giants treated people.
"We still keep in touch with our neighbors from Ramsey, Jack and Betty Fulkrod, on almost a daily basis. Bobby used to wander over to their house when he got bored with us. I'm sure he'd have somewhere to stay if the Giants drafted him."
Rob Carpenter joined the Giants in a trade with the Oilers during the 1981 season and stayed through 1985, leading the team in rushing in 1981 and 1984. In all he spent 10 seasons in the NFL with the Oilers, Giants and Rams, rushing for 4,363 yards and 29 touchdowns.
He returned to his native Lancaster to coach football in 1998, when Bobby was a high school freshman. He since has coached a second son, Jonathan, now a sophomore linebacker at Cincinnati, and will have two sons, senior running back George and freshman quarterback Nathan, on his team in the fall.
Yet with all the footballs flying around the house, Rob was kind of surprised Bobby chose the sport over some of the others he took part in as a youngster.
"The question was not whether Bobby would be good, but what sport he would choose to be good in. He was a talented swimmer, soccer player and basketball player. I really thought he'd go into basketball."
"He never really forced me to play football," Bobby Carpenter said. "I wasn't allowed to play football until I was 13, and he coached me from then on out, but never really pushed.
"He always just made sure the door was open for whatever I wanted to do, whether it was working out extra or getting some extra film in."
The extra film work has been a Bobby Carpenter staple since his youth.
"I would tape his swim meets or soccer games so his grandparents could see them," said Rob. "But soon Bobby was watching the tapes, analyzing his own performance, then analyzing his teammates', then analyzing the opposition.
"That's always been one of his strengths as a player. He studies hard, knows what to do and he never misses an assignment."
Bobby's senior year ended when he broke his right fibula on the first play of the regular-season finale against Michigan. He missed the Buckeyes' date against Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl and was not ready to work out at the NFL combine in late February. He was about 90 percent for the Buckeyes' March 9 pro day, but still ran a 4.65 in the 40-yard dash at 256 pounds.
"Playing in the NFL has been his goal," said his father. "He got to win a national championship as a freshman; he even made the first tackle of that season on kickoff coverage against Texas Tech at their 8-yard line. Now he wants to win a Super Bowl. And I know someday he will. That's the kind of kid he is."
E-mail: [email protected]
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