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MaxBuck;868246; said:
I'd like to nominate the "all-NBA-addition-by-subtraction" team: players whose individual stats indicate superstardom, yet never seem to win championships. This one would bust every known salary cap:

SG: Kobe Bryant (hon mention Mike Redd; sorry, Mike)
C: Shaquille O'Neal (2007 edition, not the younger Shaq)
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I hate Kobe just as much as everyone else but this post above me is just stupid.

Wow, Shaq a huge center doesn't win the championship this year and suddenly becomes an 'addition by subtraction' member, crazy how the Heat had not won a championship since Shaq entered the league until he joined their team. He (and the heat) won the title in 2006. Then before he was on the Heat he was a Laker, where he got a couple of championships. On the team with him was none other then Kobe Bryant.... you are right though, those guys can't win championships, and any team would be lucky to be without them.

The fact of the matter is that the Spurs have been pretty much a dynasty, so there are a lot of great players who have not won it as a result. Replace Kobe with any player in the league and the lakers wouldn't have done any better. Kobe did for a terrible Lakers team what KG hasn't been able to do the past few seasons with a terrible T-Wolves team and thats win a majority of the games.

I have no problem with Kobe wanting to leave, people act like he is stabbing the Lakers in the back by leaving, even if he leaves the Lakers still get to keep the championships from which he was a team member. Plus he has put in his time, 3 years, towards the rebuilding of the program. Had he left them 3 years ago, it would have been worse, but he has put in his time, and if he leaves its not like the Lakers won't get anything for him. Sometimes players just need a fresh start.

WOW, never thought i'd spend that much time defending one of my least favorite players in the league... I guess i'm just tired of hearing about it.
 
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tibor75;868177; said:
Best player? yeah, if the NBA was a one on one sport.

Any bum who refuses to shoot the ball for a complete half in a game just to prove a point is a scumbag and deserves an ACL.
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C'mon Tibs, you know wishing an injury upon Kobe just isn't right ...

without also tossing in the MCL.






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MaxBuck;868246; said:
I'd like to nominate the "all-NBA-addition-by-subtraction" team: players whose individual stats indicate superstardom, yet never seem to win championships. This one would bust every known salary cap:

PG: Allen Iverson
SG: Kobe Bryant (hon mention Mike Redd; sorry, Mike)
SF: Vince Carter (hon mention Paul Pierce)
PF: Zach Randolph (hon mention Chris Webber)
C: Shaquille O'Neal (2007 edition, not the younger Shaq)
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Not sure why Kobe and Shaq are on your list when they both have multiple championships.
 
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As a Lakers fan, I think Kobe is a whiney little bitch. A helluva basketball player, without a doubt, but also a whiney little bitch. I'd rather dump him and start over than to put up with this current situation. Like Colin Cowherd said, thank the guys who got this on video and made it public, because the real Kobe is exposed.
 
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schwab;868805; said:
As a Lakers fan, I think Kobe is a whiney little bitch. A helluva basketball player, without a doubt, but also a whiney little bitch. I'd rather dump him and start over than to put up with this current situation. Like Colin Cowherd said, thank the guys who got this on video and made it public, because the real Kobe is exposed.
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Well, I saw the video and it isn't anything that bad. TBH, it was shot right around the time when he was on the radio, he's basically saying that they passed up on the chance to get Jason Kidd to keep Andrew Bynum, and that was a mistake. He's asked if he thinks Bynum will be a great player and says who knows, maybe in the future but he needs to win now.

Basically, it's the same thing he's said on the radio with a bunch of profanities tossed into the mix.

I don't like or agree with what he's doing, as I have said, the Lakers are incredibly successful overall, and for him to basically slap Jerry Buss in the face should be enough for him to get his wish. However, he's the only player in the league with a "No Trade" clause in his contract, so he gets to pick where he goes and you can bet he's going to make sure there Lakers aren't going to be better off without him.
 
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OCBucksFan;868812; said:
Errr... you are aware that Kobe Bryant has 3 Rings and Shaq has 4 right?
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Like I said, Kobe without Shaq = no rings. Shaq or DWade - who was more responsible for the Heat championship? But I can agree to remove Shaq from this list, since everyone seems so torqued about it.
 
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MaxBuck;868824; said:
Like I said, Kobe without Shaq = no rings. Shaq or DWade - who was more responsible for the Heat championship? But I can agree to remove Shaq from this list, since everyone seems so torqued about it.
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Errr... Teams win championships, not players. Granted, the players have a large effect and without good players you don't have good teams, but what you are basically saying is that their rings aren't thiers, or they somehow don't deserve them, didn't earn them. The Lakers rings went to all the players on that team for a reason. Kobe, Shaq, Derrick Fisher, Rick Fox, Robert Horry, all those guys won those champioships.

Shaq or Dwade? How many rings did Wade win without Shaq? Sorry, pointless argument, you can't debate results, Kobe has more Rings than Dwade, Shaq Has more than Kobe, Horry has more than both, so was Horry the greatest player in history? It's a team sport.
 
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MaxBuck;868824; said:
Like I said, Kobe without Shaq = no rings. Shaq or DWade - who was more responsible for the Heat championship? But I can agree to remove Shaq from this list, since everyone seems so torqued about it.
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Yeah, we are all real stressed out about your "list". It's just a bit moronic. Let me see so by your analogy Michael Jordan should be on your "list". He never won a ring without Phil either. :roll1:
 
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OCBucksFan;868870; said:
Errr... Teams win championships, not players. Granted, the players have a large effect and without good players you don't have good teams, but what you are basically saying is that their rings aren't thiers, or they somehow don't deserve them, didn't earn them. The Lakers rings went to all the players on that team for a reason. Kobe, Shaq, Derrick Fisher, Rick Fox, Robert Horry, all those guys won those champioships.

Shaq or Dwade? How many rings did Wade win without Shaq? Sorry, pointless argument, you can't debate results, Kobe has more Rings than Dwade, Shaq Has more than Kobe, Horry has more than both, so was Horry the greatest player in history? It's a team sport.
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Without Shaq, both Kobe and Wade have empty fingers.
 
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