Iowa Hawkeyes - General Discussion

[Muck]

I'm just glad that it looks like all of the players are going to fully recover.

 

[Dryden]

series of Tweets today by Joe Schad (obligatory OTL segment forthcoming?):

One Iowa parent said he asked Ferentz: "Where were you? How can you be out recruiting other kids? You sat in our living room and told us you'd take care of them..."

One parent said an Iowa strength coach said before the workouts that the team had 'failed to finish' this season

One Iowa parent said a player had 20 to 30 percent loss of kidney function that may or may not be repaired

 

[jlb1705]

series of Tweets today by Joe Schad (obligatory OTL segment forthcoming?):

One Iowa parent said he asked Ferentz: "Where were you? How can you be out recruiting other kids? You sat in our living room and told us you'd take care of them..."

One parent said an Iowa strength coach said before the workouts that the team had 'failed to finish' this season

One Iowa parent said a player had 20 to 30 percent loss of kidney function that may or may not be repaired

Ferentz isn't even allowed to be there right now. No doubt that's what he's going to hide behind, despite the fact that his surrogates at these offseason sessions don't so much as take a piss without keeping Ferentz in the loop.

Iowa did seem to have conditioning problems this year. This is all conjecture, but one has to wonder... are these problems the result of an overeaction to not being prepared last year? Or do these guys subscribe to the DickRod school practice and conditioning? During Practicegate, M*ch*g*n would lose a game and they'd work them extra to try to make up for it without giving them any kind of time to rest and recover. If Iowa's S&C staff is gung-ho enough to get 12 kids in the hospital simultaneously, they're probably gung-ho enough to have them running 'til they puke the afternoon before a conference game.

 

[Coqui]

I wondered when the media would begin to investigate the coincidence of multiple reported cases of the identical condition.
http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/20...s-reportedly-caused-by-exertional-rhabdomyol/

Creatine is controversial?

There's no study that has found side effects to taking creatine.

Creatine itself won't get you strong either. All it does it transfer nutrients to your muscles faster.

Finally something I know more than the average poster about lol

 

[HorticullyBuck]

i didnt believe that there were no study s on side effects of creatine, did a quick google search and found a article from Rice university. they basically say theres no long term studys on side effects of creatine but the "Anecdotal reports" dont look too well. anyway this is a pretty decent article thats easy to read http://www.rice.edu/~jenky/sports/creatine.html

just because they may be no direct correlation doesnt mean it did not influence. not saying either or. I'm sure it was a combination of factors.

oh yea, and the key would be "proper use" if used improperly, anything can cause side effects.

 

[Dryden]

Anything you take in you have to excrete, one way or another. Creatine, at the dosage levels consumed by elite athletes, is not harmless, and will result in long term kidney & liver damage.

You don't need to be a rocket surgeon to figure that out.

 

[Dryden]

Ferentz isn't even allowed to be there right now. No doubt that's what he's going to hide behind, despite the fact that his surrogates at these offseason sessions don't so much as take a piss without keeping Ferentz in the loop.

The quote by the angry parent was not about Ferentz not being present for the workouts, its that when Ferentz learned 13 players were in the hospital, he didn't immediately fly home, he stayed in Ohio to recruit some more.

 

[colobuck79]

The quote by the angry parent was not about Ferentz not being present for the workouts, its that when Ferentz learned 13 players were in the hospital, he didn't immediately fly home, he stayed in Ohio to recruit some more.

Yep, that is how I would feel as a parent. It gets harder and harder to sweep this under the rug when angry parents are involved.

 

[Buckeneye]

Intense/extreme workouts without proper rest is not only counter-productive yet pointless seeing as how your periods of rest(sleep) is when most of the body's growth, repair and improvement takes place.

I'd hope to god these guys are going hard on the weekends then slamming Creatine, supplements, workouts and not properly resting when they can.

 

[Buckeye513]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...1-25-iowa-football-players-hospitalized_N.htm

On Jan. 20, however, Shane DiBona talked about a staggering workout on Facebook: "I had to squat 240 pounds 100 times and it was timed. I can't walk and I fell down the stairs ... lifes (sic) great."

I'll go out on a limb and say that this had a hell of a lot more to do with them getting rhabdo than creatine. A dozen of them aren't going to drop at the same time and start pissing brown because of creatine.

This is completely irresponsible. If this is the kind of thing the Iowa S&C coaches are having their guys do, the players should have enough sense to walk away. I doubt any of them are novice lifters. If some coach tried to get me squat 240 x 100, I'd kindly tell him to fuck himself sideways.

 

[Coqui]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/coll...1-25-iowa-football-players-hospitalized_N.htm
I'll go out on a limb and say that this had a hell of a lot more to do with them getting rhabdo than creatine. A dozen of them aren't going to drop at the same time and start [censored]ing brown because of creatine.

This is completely irresponsible. If this is the kind of thing the Iowa S&C coaches are having their guys do, the players should have enough sense to walk away. I doubt any of them are novice lifters. If some coach tried to get me squat 240 x 100, I'd kindly tell him to [censored] himself sideways.

For an athlete where strength is a requirement, squatting 240 pounds is nothing. I personally have done 50 rep squats without stopping once @ 225 pounds. I could do 100 reps but I'd need 3 go's at it. (50 the first time, 30 the 2nd time, and 20 the last time) Yes I'd have problems walking, but I wouldn't feel like I over did myself either.

However, what they may have done prior to that routine or after, could definitely be a factor (as long as they stayed away from legs, it wouldn't have been an issue.

 

[Buckeye513]

For an athlete where strength is a requirement, squatting 240 pounds is nothing. I personally have done 50 rep squats without stopping once @ 225 pounds. I could do 100 reps but I'd need 3 go's at it. (50 the first time, 30 the 2nd time, and 20 the last time) Yes I'd have problems walking, but I wouldn't feel like I over did myself either.

It's not just the weight, it's the weight + the volume + the fact that they did it for time. Classes started at Iowa the week prior, the players were obviously not ready for that kind of volume increase and any coach that gets paid for doing what they do should've known that.

The player who posted about the workout is listed at 230. I'm guessing the coaches just said "squat your body weight 100 times as fast as you can". I don't see why any coach would program something like that for amateur athletes given the obvious dangers, i.e. skeletal muscle being destroyed and permanent kidney damage. At some point the "grr football is for men" shit needs to be set aside. This didn't all happen in a day.

 

[Coqui]

It's not just the weight, it's the weight + the volume + the fact that they did it for time. Classes started at Iowa the week prior, the players were obviously not ready for that kind of volume increase and any coach that gets paid for doing what they do should've known that.

The player who posted about the workout is listed at 230. I'm guessing the coaches just said "squat your body weight 100 times as fast as you can". I don't see why any coach would program something like that for amateur athletes given the obvious dangers, i.e. skeletal muscle being destroyed and permanent kidney damage. At some point the "grr football is for men" [Mark May] needs to be set aside. This didn't all happen in a day.

Obviously, we have to take what's written with a grain of salt, but didn't the article say they do this every year? And as I mentioned, BW squats even for 100 reps, while taxing, isn't that dangerous. I am nowhere near the cardiovascular condition needed to play football at this point, and what I posted was 20 pounds over my body weight that I have done this before. I've done workouts that would make most people cry in terms of volume. I've done workouts that have gotten me to the point of passing out. I've take creatine before. (And there's no point in going above the recommended dosage) and I don't feel based off of what's been said, that any of that contributed to the athletes getting rabdo. There's something else not being mentioned.

 

[Buckeneye]

While I agree to an extent about missing information... it boils down to repetition reallly.

How many time squats (or other lifting perhaps) coupled with what type(s) of workouts. Plus, again, if they weren't getting the require rest on the off days.

 

[BB73]

From what I've read, lack of hydration was also probably a factor.

I'll be surprised if the pressure from the parents and the public doesn't cost the S&C coach his job.