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NFBuck;1555090; said:
Eh, as much as he did mishandle that series... I mean, shit, he didn't tell Dave Burba and Co. to throw batting practice.
And, yeah, I mean, there's the thing, he had some of the most talented offenses in Baseball in the 90's.
'97? Yeah... that never should have gone to 7.
But, by '99 it was homerun derby on that staff...
I actually thought Grover did a nice job considering the pitching that he had at his disposal generally-- despite Hart's efforts, he never had a rotation after '95-- and that team led the League (IIRC) in ERA without Black Jack McDowell or Bob Ojeda (for all intents and purposes). Imean, the guy got results out of Eric Plunk sometimes.
Anyway, I'm not saying it's the right move, I'm just saying that a Shapiro team might be a better fit for him.... I mean, shit... this is a tought lineup card...
Uh... yeah... who do I start today?
Lofton
Vizquel
Alomar
Ramirez
Thome
What's that? Thome's hurt... uhh, okay... Giles, Sexon, someone....
Justice
Etc.
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yea, thats probably true
im just glad to see Wedge gone, all I want is someone who isnt going to [censored] up players like Wedge and Willis
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Will you play a statue 1B in the OF and an OF at 1B in the same game?BuckeyeMike80;1555102; said:Hire Me!!!
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Eh, maybe I'm just bitter. If Grover was 5-10 years younger...maybe I don't have an issue, but he's 60 now. That and his resume after leaving Cleveland was subpar to be kind. There absolutely could be worse hires (Showalter for instance), but I think bringing back Grover would be a lazy, uninspired hire. I don't expect a splash, just somebody with fresh ideas, compitency and an ability to develop young talent.AKAKBUCK;1555103; said:
I don't believe manager is as important as a HC in football. They rarely are difference makers on the positive side, but can definately be a detriment...especially to young teams.
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The line starts to the left. Good luck.BuckeyeMike80;1555113; said:No way. I put all my statues at SS and 2B
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NFBuck;1555111; said:
Hey, to these guys, Grover is fresh.... none of them know him.
At any rate... if he said in the offeason, just generally, "Hey, I'm bored of Liberal KS... I want to manage again" I mean, he's got the resume that any team needs to consider, really.
Anyway, I'm not necessarily in favor of it... but, if you put together a list of 5 guys with previous experience, who are available, he has to have one of the the top 3 to 5 resumes.
And, I'm not sure his age is that big an issue.... I mean, you can't expect anyone to do this for more than 5 years... how the fuck old is Leyland? Either you know how to do this or you don't.
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You may be right. I don't think I'd be pissed at the hire, just "meh". I think I'd prefer Lovullo...just so long ass it isn't Showalter.AKAKBUCK;1555117; said:
I wouldn't be offended by Bobby Valentine either because I could probably steal "Guy Incognito's" old avatar.
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buckeyemania11;1555123; said:whoever hires him, good luck
Oh, "on the rebound" always works out for everyone involved.
As long as you just fuck her, and don't marry her...
Err... never mind.
Anyway, I'm sure Wedge will end up doing well, he's young, and as much as the the Indians need a fresh face, so does he, probably.
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The Indians were one win away from the World Series two years ago, 5 years after Wedge took over a rebuilding job. A lot of managers have tried to do similar things, and failed, so don't assume the next guy will automatically be better.
I don't pay enough attention to the Tribe to have a strong opinion on Wedge but I do know the talent level declined since 2007, through no fault of his own. Cleveland better look at their front office's performance as well.
I don't pay enough attention to the Tribe to have a strong opinion on Wedge but I do know the talent level declined since 2007, through no fault of his own. Cleveland better look at their front office's performance as well.
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