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Indiana @ tOSU, Sat Nov 12, 12pm, FOX

So when are we going to accept that we are a finesse team that cant run the ball? Its not a coincidence that we have now for two years in a row struggled against the traditional BIG teams. Teams who can play solid run defense. Maybe I am jumping the gun a bit. However this is becoming too much like the end of last year. I dont know about everyone else but I am not a huge fan of how that ended. It seems that we are built offensively similar to Tennessee, better Passing for OSU however we dont run the ball well. UGA handled them this past weekend and I can see SCUM and UGA Def playing us similarly. Stover has had a great year this year catching and a lot of blocking. However the games we have struggled running I have noticed the pulling TE or Guard missing the block resulting in negative plays. Hopefully we can either stop the pull if we cant get to our spots or get more push on the O Line.

I’m not convinced that it’s finesse or being soft. I think it completely comes down to not breaking tendencies.

Imagine that DE from NU crashing down on Williams only for CJ to tuck and run. He must have shit his jock.

Having a running QB, or even a QB who will threaten to run keeps the defense more honest. Chang up some of the formations from which we run, include some different blocking schemes that aren’t all zone blocking based… and add little play action too?

That’s much harder to defend than what is being required. I think that were they to break tendencies a bit, the same finesses team would also have a pretty explosive running game too.

Just my $0.02
 
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So when are we going to accept that we are a finesse team that cant run the ball? Its not a coincidence that we have now for two years in a row struggled against the traditional BIG teams. Teams who can play solid run defense. Maybe I am jumping the gun a bit. However this is becoming too much like the end of last year. I dont know about everyone else but I am not a huge fan of how that ended. It seems that we are built offensively similar to Tennessee, better Passing for OSU however we dont run the ball well. UGA handled them this past weekend and I can see SCUM and UGA Def playing us similarly. Stover has had a great year this year catching and a lot of blocking. However the games we have struggled running I have noticed the pulling TE or Guard missing the block resulting in negative plays. Hopefully we can either stop the pull if we cant get to our spots or get more push on the O Line.
We aren't a finese team though. We can be physical and make teams pay for over compensating.

Issue solely is how we approach running the ball IMO. It's not hard to stop the run when you know where the ball is going.
 
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We aren't a finese team though. We can be physical and make teams pay for over compensating.

Issue solely is how we approach running the ball IMO. It's not hard to stop the run when you know where the ball is going.
If you re-watch the Northwestern and Penn St game, there were multiple times where the box was loaded and we didnt make adjustments. Its a numbers game and unfortunately we haven't adapted until late in games at times.
 
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If you re-watch the Northwestern and Penn St game, there were multiple times where the box was loaded and we didnt make adjustments. Its a numbers game and unfortunately we haven't adapted until late in games at times.
Yeah if we are going to go manball we have to have play action off of it or teams will stick 10+ in the box and dare our blocks to be perfect and the RB to make a play. Wilson with his background in tight ends I can't believe he doesn't see the easy play action to the tight end up the seam there
 
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So when are we going to accept that we are a finesse team that cant run the ball? Its not a coincidence that we have now for two years in a row struggled against the traditional BIG teams. Teams who can play solid run defense. Maybe I am jumping the gun a bit. However this is becoming too much like the end of last year. I dont know about everyone else but I am not a huge fan of how that ended. It seems that we are built offensively similar to Tennessee, better Passing for OSU however we dont run the ball well. UGA handled them this past weekend and I can see SCUM and UGA Def playing us similarly. Stover has had a great year this year catching and a lot of blocking. However the games we have struggled running I have noticed the pulling TE or Guard missing the block resulting in negative plays. Hopefully we can either stop the pull if we cant get to our spots or get more push on the O Line.

Honest question .... Would you rather Coach Day build a team similar to the Vulvarines or what we currently put on the field ??
 
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So when are we going to accept that we are a finesse team that cant run the ball? It's not a coincidence that we have now for two years in a row struggled against the traditional BIG teams. Teams who can play solid run defense. Maybe I am jumping the gun a bit. However this is becoming too much like the end of last year. I dont know about everyone else but I am not a huge fan of how that ended. It seems that we are built offensively similar to Tennessee, better Passing for OSU however we dont run the ball well. UGA handled them this past weekend and I can see SCUM and UGA Def playing us similarly. Stover has had a great year this year catching and a lot of blocking. However the games we have struggled running I have noticed the pulling TE or Guard missing the block resulting in negative plays. Hopefully we can either stop the pull if we cant get to our spots or get more push on the O Line.

I don't think anyone would confuse them with a finesse team prior to the bye. The teams have gotten tougher, but they've also not had healthy RBs. You'll start to look more finesse when your RBs are running at 50%. Day wasn't nearly as committed to the run game last year, for multiple reasons. But it's paid off in the second half against ND & PSU. We'll see if guys get healthy, but when seeing Williams and Henderson run against ND and Wisconsin, finesse wasn't the word I thought of.

Also, you have to consider what the end goals are for OSU. Under Meyer, OSU had a 'tougher' and 'hard-nosed' playing style. It was often more suited for the talent advantage OSU would have, and for conference weather conditions, but eventually got bogged down against teams with good DCs and exposed by top teams with equal or greater talent. It's not a coincidence that his best offense relied on a QB that forced them to adapt their style of play and push the ball downfield.

You can't rely on bullying opponents anymore and assuming you'll win matchups. Elite CFB is much closer to the NFL in levels of execution & complexity than even 10 years ago. I don't have the knowledge to break it down, but you have to be able to attack defenses in multiple ways and score quickly when needed. Does this lead to issues against certain opponents or in certain environments? Sure. But I'll take that tradeoff over running a system that has far tighter margins of error and is limited in ways that it can adjust and attack the opponent.

Last thing I'll say is that a better UGA defense got lit up against Alabama in the SEC conference game due to an explosive passing attack. They were very lucky Jameson got hurt in the NC. Right now I'm not confident OSU beats them, but even without JSN, I don't think it's as terrible a matchup as many think.
 
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I don't think anyone would confuse them with a finesse team prior to the bye. The teams have gotten tougher, but they've also not had healthy RBs. You'll start to look more finesse when your RBs are running at 50%. Day wasn't nearly as committed to the run game last year, for multiple reasons. But it's paid off in the second half against ND & PSU. We'll see if guys get healthy, but when seeing Williams and Henderson run against ND and Wisconsin, finesse wasn't the word I thought of.

Also, you have to consider what the end goals are for OSU. Under Meyer, OSU had a 'tougher' and 'hard-nosed' playing style. It was often more suited for the talent advantage OSU would have, and for conference weather conditions, but eventually got bogged down against teams with good DCs and exposed by top teams with equal or greater talent. It's not a coincidence that his best offense relied on a QB that forced them to adapt their style of play and push the ball downfield.

You can't rely on bullying opponents anymore and assuming you'll win matchups. Elite CFB is much closer to the NFL in levels of execution & complexity than even 10 years ago. I don't have the knowledge to break it down, but you have to be able to attack defenses in multiple ways and score quickly when needed. Does this lead to issues against certain opponents or in certain environments? Sure. But I'll take that tradeoff over running a system that has far tighter margins of error and is limited in ways that it can adjust and attack the opponent.

Last thing I'll say is that a better UGA defense got lit up against Alabama in the SEC conference game due to an explosive passing attack. They were very lucky Jameson got hurt in the NC. Right now I'm not confident OSU beats them, but even without JSN, I don't think it's as terrible a matchup as many think.
Great points for sure. Days style of offense definitely gets the juices flowing. Where QB option left then right definitely ran it's course. We have been spoiled by some phenomenal teams over the years. I think the lack of ability to get a first down on 3&1 when the defense knows what's coming has been my biggest frustration with the teams the last two years. I think we can pass on any team in the country but the run game has to be a priority to win it all.
 
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So when are we going to accept that we are a finesse team that cant run the ball? Its not a coincidence that we have now for two years in a row struggled against the traditional BIG teams. Teams who can play solid run defense. Maybe I am jumping the gun a bit. However this is becoming too much like the end of last year. I dont know about everyone else but I am not a huge fan of how that ended. It seems that we are built offensively similar to Tennessee, better Passing for OSU however we dont run the ball well. UGA handled them this past weekend and I can see SCUM and UGA Def playing us similarly. Stover has had a great year this year catching and a lot of blocking. However the games we have struggled running I have noticed the pulling TE or Guard missing the block resulting in negative plays. Hopefully we can either stop the pull if we cant get to our spots or get more push on the O Line.

I refuse to accept it.

A finesse team folds at Northwestern or at Rhythmic Slappy Valley.

It's about the scheme and breaking tendencies. If Ohio State had been able to throw it at all Saturday, they win by 4+ TDs. Without the ability to throw it well, it eliminated an entire section of the playbook. I don't care if NW was 1-7, Pat Fitzgerald is a CFB HOFer and an excellent schemer. The weather broke perfectly for them and they played it to the max.

There absolutely ARE schematic issues that can be fixed very easily. And it's why the school pays Ryan Day so well.
 
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It's Military Appreciation Day on Saturday at the 'Shoe!
 
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But perhaps the bigger story to emerge from Columbus is a rejuvenated defense under new coordinator Jim Knowles. This is a unit that gets opponents off the field in a hurry: Only 15 opponent drives this season have reached the red zone, the fewest of any team in the country. The Buckeyes defense ranks in the top 10 in three-and-out rate and lowest opposing third-down conversion rate, in large part because they have the second-best pressure rate in the country.
 
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