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buckeyegrad;1109523; said:
What I find interesting is that in the College of Education where I am a student, the majority of the professors training our future teachers have decided to homeschool their own children! What do they know that we don't? :paranoid:

Freakin' elitists!
 
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muffler dragon;1109465; said:
BKB:

I understand your points, Ryn's points, and each side of the coin. So I hope that no one has felt like I've attempted to dismiss their POV and opinion.

You are correct that there are differing circumstances for everybody. I won't shame a person for educating their children in a public school. That would be overly hypocritical of me considering I am a product of said environment.

I brought up the other thread, because I am really wanting to evaluate non-religious homeschooling. I'm sure you understand the reasons as do most others. I am attempting to research this to the best of my ability and make an informed decision with my wife by May (for the next school year). I want the BEST for my children (as everyone does). The caveat for me is that my wife is a product of a completely different experience. Hell it's just like her learning to read by phonics and I learned by wrote. One day she was asking me about about spelling something, I answered, and she responded with, "Oh, the "e" makes the "i" say it's name". I was like, "What the hell?!" I started thinking about that Beyonce song. I had never heard this mantra before, but that's how my wife learned. Apples and Oranges. We are under the presumption that my daughter WILL learn better through a homeschool environment. But you know what? When she gets older, we're going to entertain the option WITH her. Once highschool hits, we'll sit down and see where she stands on her education. There is even the option open that we make a change from homeschooling to public next year or any year. We're not stuck in stone. We simply want the BEST (without paying for private).

Anyway... I didn't start this debate intentionally, and I'm not looking to justify what we're doing nor deride anyone for choosing otherwise. As brutus said, and BB73 added, "to each their own". I just find the "social" justifications to be lacking.

Well, if you guys can pull it off, then by all means, go for it. For me and Ryn, it's just not feasible. Neither one of us are home enough during the day to homeschool, first and formost. Although, I suppose if I didn't live in the school district I did, I wouldn't have to pay as much for my house, and thus one of us could be a "stay at home" but... we're not.

In any case... I certainly don't indict people who can homeschool. But, and I'm not trying to insult your intelligence here of course, often times the sound of an idea is a lot better than the practice of it. Meaning, I'd love to have complete control over my kids' education.... but, reality of it is - for me and us - it would be an overt failure. But... assuming you can do it... I see no reason why you shouldn't. I do believe in the "things I didn't learn in school" learning that going to a building with a bunch of your peers.. and I do believe that stuff is important... but.. I would doubt school is the only place to become "world wise" as it were...

buckeyegrad;1109502; said:
Just for the record, although I am very pro-homeschooling in terms of respecting and wanting to support those who do it; when I have children, I do not plan to homeschool unless my wife would want to take the lead in carrying out the activities. A major reason for not taking the homeschool option is because of the socialization aspect, which my wife and I are probably not the best people to facilitate because of our own inclinations to isolate ourselves--I guess my public school and her public and private school educations didn't do a good job with us. :biggrin:

This being said, we will be very active in our chidren's education and there will be an element of homeschooling in that we will be teaching them many things beyond what their school curriculum provides and also teaching them to question and to challenge what they are learning from their teachers.

Absolutely agree. I and ryn personally feel that our responsibility to educate our kids doesn't end when we send em off for school. We help them with homework, we teach them things independant of school, we talk about stuff.. we read with them, we go to parent teacher conferences and so on.. in other words, we both think even if we're not doing the "heavy lifting" of schooling, it is vital that we stay on top of and supplement that learning.
 
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First of all... interesting point of view... and.. I'm happy to see that no one seems to have ulterior motivations for why their children are homeschooled. As BKB mentions below... I come from an area where there are groups... who under the guise of religious reasons.... homeschool their children simply to have them available for forced labor.

I find the social vs. academic environment arguments interesting... but.. in my mind they aren't mutually exclusive at all.

In fact, and maybe this is merely a personal experience... but... I know the quality of my public school education was top rate. Of course, that's because my public school education was supplemented and encouraged by my parents... they went to great lengths to interest me in academic subjects and to think for myself about subject material. I think to a great degree, I was helped by having both of these influnces in my life in that my parents would have focused on interesting me in (more often than not) the same things they were while I was exposed to a whole different "curriculum" at school and my parents could help me with those things as well.

So, I tend to think I would have missed out if I didn't have both a public school experience as well as good parents. And, my parents were divorced for a very good portion of me growing up... so... 3 perspectives on that stuff.

As to the social aspect of things, I found the asshole home schooled kids flag football story amusing, and not pointing any fingers here, but, I have run across a section of parents that want to homeschool their kids because other kids are mean, and were mean to them, and this kept them from learning or some such bullshit. They don't use this as a primary reason... but... it comes up usually. Its my experience that these kids probalby need to have public school social interaction more than most. As most of us can probably agreee, the apple is notorious for not falling far from the tree, and for that parent that had the bad public school experience, ummm, the fault might not lie "with the other kids" if you get my meaning. Sometimes its a good policy to ask, "Whose the asshole?"

Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1109433; said:
Point is, and one with which I agree (Surprised?), the school setting has the advantage of teaching kids subtly about the "real world" It's like a job, and I've learned how to deal with reporting here every day and so on owing to lessons I learned from schooling. I wasn't with a bunch of people I liked all the time. I had to deal with people I thought were assholes... I had to improvise when I forgot my lunch... shit like that. Just like the real world, where I don't get to hang out with my buddies and loved ones all day long singing songs and cleaning up parks.

To this point... I don't know if there's a socialization issue or like a job. But, I kind of wonder why everyone here thinks schools are for "learning." Sure, there are bad thigns to be learned from the other kids. Sure the teachers are inconsistent... yes there is time wasted. But, like BKB says, that's life. It might be best to learn the best way to teach your kid, then do it. But, on the other hand, it might be best to teach your kid to be able to adjust to different kind of people and viewpoints.... if these are distractions, they aren't going away once we're "through calculus."

I guess, my point is, we can talk about reading techniques and grammar and rote vs phonic learning... and maybe everyone gets this... but... seems to me that learning itself is a skill, not a set of skills. I'll be the first to sing the praises of a braod based liberal-arts-esque type knowledge background. But, I don't really, as a parent (and, I am a rookie, I'll admit) don't really aspire to teach my kid(s) anything. Its going to happen, sure... there are things that I think are neat and important that I will want to share with her. But, the primary goal for me is to provide a support system for her to learn on her own... for her to be able to acheive things, to learn on her own, to know she's loved and to know she'll have a hand to pick her up when she inevitably falls. I have no desire to actually create the environment of her world, Just the tools she needs to operate in it. I don't understand the point of "teaching her to think for herself" and then have mine be the only point of view in her life. These ideas seem at odds to me.

(This may of course be because I've read my posts on here and acknowledge myself to be an idiot...)
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1109565; said:
Absolutely agree. I and ryn personally feel that our responsibility to educate our kids doesn't end when we send em off for school. We help them with homework, we teach them things independant of school, we talk about stuff.. we read with them, we go to parent teacher conferences and so on.. in other words, we both think even if we're not doing the "heavy lifting" of schooling, it is vital that we stay on top of and supplement that learning.

Agree. The reality of school anymore is that if you're not an active participant in your kid's education, your kid will lose out. I can't believe how much more these kids do than I remember. We even get papers every week or so which require the parent and child to do work together. Not to mention the things that require parent help (interviewing family members, researching your family history, math scavenger hunts, etc,etc) Parents must be active to ensure that your child gets everything they can out of the experience. They even have to have a parent signature on every reading book that comes home to verify the child did the work. Parents and teachers must partner in the early years in my opinion.

Anyway, I think my kids listen and pay attention more when a teacher explains something than when I do anyway. That said, your kid doesn't always get the teacher that's best suited for them...but that's a whole other topic!
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1109565; said:
Well, if you guys can pull it off, then by all means, go for it. For me and Ryn, it's just not feasible. Neither one of us are home enough during the day to homeschool, first and formost. Although, I suppose if I didn't live in the school district I did, I wouldn't have to pay as much for my house, and thus one of us could be a "stay at home" but... we're not.

I always wanted my wife to have the OPTION of working and not the necessity. Just so happens, my occupation makes that desire a reality. I certainly understand financial restraints.

BKB said:
In any case... I certainly don't indict people who can homeschool. But, and I'm not trying to insult your intelligence here of course, often times the sound of an idea is a lot better than the practice of it. Meaning, I'd love to have complete control over my kids' education.... but, reality of it is - for me and us - it would be an overt failure. But... assuming you can do it... I see no reason why you shouldn't. I do believe in the "things I didn't learn in school" learning that going to a building with a bunch of your peers.. and I do believe that stuff is important... but.. I would doubt school is the only place to become "world wise" as it were...

I completely concur about the "idea" v. "practice" consideration. The stigmatism of "homeschool" prior to meeting my wife was extremely conservative Christian kids who were borderline recluse. Needless to say, my wife destroyed that preconceived notion of mine. Furthermore, if she hadn't had the experience, I don't know that I would have been as open to it for the very reasons that people raise. I would say that I'm fortunate to have my wife in this consideration (and all others :biggrin: ).
 
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AKAK's point of parents trying to protect their kids from a similar school experience(by home schooling) is relevant from what I have seen from several families. The parents were outsiders or misfits in school and mistreated/hazed. Just an observation. Interesting that he has observed this also.
 
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AKAKBUCK;1109576; said:
First of all... interesting point of view... and.. I'm happy to see that no one seems to have ulterior motivations for why their children are homeschooled. As BKB mentions below... I come from an area where there are groups... who under the guise of religious reasons.... homeschool their children simply to have them available for forced labor.

I have to admit that this is something I've never run into (or at least, don't recall it). Such a sad state of affairs.

AKAK said:
I find the social vs. academic environment arguments interesting... but.. in my mind they aren't mutually exclusive at all.

In fact, and maybe this is merely a personal experience... but... I know the quality of my public school education was top rate. Of course, that's because my public school education was supplemented and encouraged by my parents... they went to great lengths to interest me in academic subjects and to think for myself about subject material. I think to a great degree, I was helped by having both of these influnces in my life in that my parents would have focused on interesting me in (more often than not) the same things they were while I was exposed to a whole different "curriculum" at school and my parents could help me with those things as well.

So, I tend to think I would have missed out if I didn't have both a public school experience as well as good parents. And, my parents were divorced for a very good portion of me growing up... so... 3 perspectives on that stuff.

Interestingly enough, my parents were hardly involved in my academics at all. Athletics gave me an ample supply of support from my parents; however, the academics were handled at arms length. I don't know if it's because it came easy to me (unlike my younger siblings). Yet, homeschooling wasn't big in my area from the late 70s through early 90s. [hick]We was jus too bass ackwards down dere in Appalacha.[/hick]

AKAK said:
As to the social aspect of things, I found the asshole home schooled kids flag football story amusing, and not pointing any fingers here, but, I have run across a section of parents that want to homeschool their kids because other kids are mean, and were mean to them, and this kept them from learning or some such bullshit. They don't use this as a primary reason... but... it comes up usually. Its my experience that these kids probalby need to have public school social interaction more than most. As most of us can probably agreee, the apple is notorious for not falling far from the tree, and for that parent that had the bad public school experience, ummm, the fault might not lie "with the other kids" if you get my meaning. Sometimes its a good policy to ask, "Whose the asshole?"

Ain't this the truth. I apologize for not voicing my agreement before, but as parents are is how kids often will be. And I'm finding as a young player in the parent game that I think kids will display the tendencies of parents behind closed doors. Which is a whole nother topic.

AKAK said:
To this point... I don't know if there's a socialization issue or like a job. But, I kind of wonder why everyone here thinks schools are for "learning." Sure, there are bad thigns to be learned from the other kids. Sure the teachers are inconsistent... yes there is time wasted. But, like BKB says, that's life. It might be best to learn the best way to teach your kid, then do it. But, on the other hand, it might be best to teach your kid to be able to adjust to different kind of people and viewpoints.... if these are distractions, they aren't going away once we're "through calculus."

I understand what you're saying (as well as the echoes of this in past posts). I guess I'll just say that my wife are taking steps now and hoping to continue taking steps in the future that make our children "world-wise". I hope and pray to have extremely well-rounded children so that they CAN encounter any and all situations and know what to do or at least how to ponder what to do. I don't want to live down to the stigmatism that I spoke of earlier.

AkAK said:
I guess, my point is, we can talk about reading techniques and grammar and rote vs phonic learning... and maybe everyone gets this... but... seems to me that learning itself is a skill, not a set of skills. I'll be the first to sing the praises of a braod based liberal-arts-esque type knowledge background. But, I don't really, as a parent (and, I am a rookie, I'll admit) don't really aspire to teach my kid(s) anything. Its going to happen, sure... there are things that I think are neat and important that I will want to share with her. But, the primary goal for me is to provide a support system for her to learn on her own... for her to be able to acheive things, to learn on her own, to know she's loved and to know she'll have a hand to pick her up when she inevitably falls. I have no desire to actually create the environment of her world, Just the tools she needs to operate in it. I don't understand the point of "teaching her to think for herself" and then have mine be the only point of view in her life. These ideas seem at odds to me.

(This may of course be because I've read my posts on here and acknowledge myself to be an idiot...)

A POV I completely understand (all points included). :wink:
 
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Anyone ever see a home schooled kid with a "C" average? No. Every one of them is an "A" student. Hard to say how the universities admissions office deal with that.

'Course as to the value of home schooling, the issue is moot: :biggrin:
 
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Gatorubet;1109602; said:
Anyone ever see a home schooled kid with a "C" average? No. Every one of them is an "A" student. Hard to say how the universities admissions office deal with that.

'Course as to the value of home schooling, the issue is moot: :biggrin:

Then there's the answer muffler...homeschool your kid and he'll be the next Tebow!
 
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