Head Coaches that don't call plays

[Sdgobucks]

Are we convinced that most of the problem on offense is just play calling?

If we didn't have so many turnovers would we not look much better on offense?

We are 113th in the nation in fumbles lost! That to me says much.

I have been and still am a believer that our problems stem from our offensive line philosophy and coaching. Without an offensive line that is effective, your team will be ineffective, regardless of WR, QB, or RB play.

 

[jwinslow]

look at how different Drew Tate looks when his DL is shattered, vs. when he has time. Occasionally you will find an unbelievable QB like Stanton who runs a fantastic offense that is capable of functioning under great diress. But Matt Leinart has gone in the tank recently with less protection. Take Reggie Bush off of that team, who makes every playcall look good, and they struggle big time on offense.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

look at how different Drew Tate looks when his DL is shattered, vs. when he has time. Occasionally you will find an unbelievable QB like Stanton who runs a fantastic offense that is capable of functioning under great diress. But Matt Leinart has gone in the tank recently with less protection. Take Reggie Bush off of that team, who makes every playcall look good, and they struggle big time on offense.

they still have white, one of the better backs in the ncaa

 

[bassbuckeye07]

in every game we have lost this season turnovers have not been the major cause. against texas we actually had a very positive turnover margin. against psu we turned it over twice. once was very early in the game and the other was on the last drive of the game. those two turnovers cost us exactly 7 points. considering it was 14-10 psu at halftime and psu scored their last points (3) with 11 something left in the 3rd qtr... that gave us an entire half to get off our asses and do something about it offensively. the fact that we were in a position where we had to depserately claw our way back into the game on the final drive is a far bigger problem than A. turning the ball over on that particular drive or B. turning the ball over very early in the game.

the closest turnovers have come to impacting any game we have been in 1 way or another was against msu. as i recall we won that one... granted you should do everything in your power to limit them. but if your looking for a scapegoat... keep looking. this one isn't it.

I don't agree turnovers affect offensive rhythm. It keeps the D on the field to long. Tressel himself said its the most important and detrimental statistic to date. Its kills a teams momentum. In a hostile playing environment (Happy Valley) that is huge, it kept the crowd in the game. It was also the margin of there victory say what you will but if we win that game in over time by three points people are talking about Tressel ball.

 

[trufan]

Their is no doubt in my mind that our play calling is the majority of the problem with our offense. JT calls the most predictable offense in the nation. We run the ball about 95% of the time on first down resulting in very little production because teams know to crowd the line of scrimage on first down.

If I as an average Joe can sit in front of my television and predict what type of play JT is gonna run next, then you can bet that the coaches and d-coordinators in division 1 football programs ought to be able to figure it out as well.

Bottom line is JT calls a far too predictable and conservative offense! He needs to just swallow his pride and hire a respectable offensive coordinator. Don't get me wrong, I think he makes a great head coach, but the guy has no idea how to run a spread offense.

The statistics show that every year since he became head coach we have dropped significantly in where we rank offensively in the nation. This year we are second to last in the big ten in total offensive production! That is pitiful!

thoughts??

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Their is no doubt in my mind that our play calling is the majority of the problem with our offense. JT calls the most predictable offense in the nation. We run the ball about 95% of the time on first down resulting in very little production because teams know to crowd the line of scrimage on first down.

If I as an average Joe can sit in front of my television and predict what type of play JT is gonna run next, then you can bet that the coaches and d-coordinators in division 1 football programs ought to be able to figure it out as well.

Bottom line is JT calls a far too predictable and conservative offense! He needs to just swallow his pride and hire a respectable offensive coordinator. Don't get me wrong, I think he makes a great head coach, but the guy has no idea how to run a spread offense.

The statistics show that every year since he became head coach we have dropped significantly in where we rank offensively in the nation. This year we are second to last in the big ten in total offensive production! That is pitiful!

thoughts??

http://www.gopsusports.com/docs/football05/stats/psuosu.htm#GAME.SCO

the penn state game we had 26 first down plays ran 16, passed 10

for the msu game the play by play is here
http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2005-2006/06michst.html#GAME.PLY

its not 95% of the time im sorry

 

[martinss01]

It's never 1 play that costs you the game. Turnovers are so expensive and they really hurt this team worse than some others.

of course the turnovers hurt. but the major problem facing this offense imo is after 2 years it has yet to find anything resembling an identity. we don't know what we do well. we don't even seem to know what we "want" to do well. until we figure that out everything else really takes a backseat in importance.

Our D has only let the opposing team march the length of the field 3 or 4 times this season. You throw a pick that's returned to the 1.5 yard line, it totally negates your defense, takes your offense of the field, frustrates the players, motivates the other players, eats up the game clock and on top of all that, oftentimes the other team will score.

our turnovers to psu killed very little time. they scored in 3 plays on the first one and the last one ended the game. so "maybe" 1:30 min max. does it negate the defense? in these "specific" cases, can't see how. we gave up 17 points WITH the turnover. there isn't a single team in the nation that wouldn't gladly spot the opponent 17 if they knew thats all they would score. 17 points for the opposing team is a win for the d no matter how you slice it or how many times you turn it over or where. if you can't score more than 17 points in a game against any d in the nation you deserve to loose, period.

With that said, turnovers clearly aren't the only reason we lost to teams like PSU and Texas - but you can't say they weren't significant...

ok, lets say troy doesn't throw the int. lets say its a punt return that goes down to our 1. do you honestly think that would have impacted the outcome of the game in our favor? what if it had been a deep pass to our 1? in any sport mental toughness is key. if our o folded up and was done for the day, i would agree that turnovers were key in the loss. but they didn't. troy didn't seem to play any better or worse after the turnover. tOSU doesn't seem to be a team that rides super high and super low on momentum or emotion. besides, us being up 10 -7 at halftime would not have affected the noise level in happy valley. so no, i don't consider that turnover as being a leading cause for the loss in that game. could we have done without it? of course... but the game was far from over.

understand i don't disagree with you that turnovers are important. turnovers, generally speaking, are one of the biggest determining factors to the outcome of a game. what im saying is that in our losses, turnovers have not been the leading cause. in fact, even with the turnovers we had every opportunity to win those games. those turnovers never once blew a game open or put us in a situation where we had to change how we wanted to run our offense. when you have half a game to overcome 7 points... i can't rightly blame those 7 points, however they were obtained, as the reason we lost.

i don't discount the importance of turnovers. i discount the notion that "because of turnovers" we lost to texas and psu. which has been insinuated by several posters on this site and according to one, by tressel himself. that statement is flat out wrong.

i edited my original post, hopefully it more accurately describes my feelings on the matter. sorry it wasn't more clear to being with :(.

 

[trufan]

How come you didn't post the numbers from the numbers from the M-State game??? Because you would see if you only read your own link, that WE RUSHED 16 OUT OF 19 TIMES ON FIRST DOWN!

So I guess your right we don't rush 95% of the time on first down. Maybe my frustration with the lack of offensive production caused me to exaggerate a little bit. 16 of 19 thats actually only like 84.2 % of the time.

Your right, guess we're not so predictable after all.....

 

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

GEEZ, you guys have a pretty darn good team and you still do all this complaining...

 

[martinss01]

GEEZ, you guys have a pretty darn good team and you still do all this complaining...

i don't mind the losses to psu or texas. the fact that we lost isn't the issue. there is nothing to be ashamed of by loosing to quality teams like those. its the lack of progress in the offense that is burning me alive. we're not getting any better. we have waaaaaaay to much talent to be this inneffective. if it were a lack of talent, inability, youth, virtually anything you could pin the problems on and show some form of progression through the year. something i could look at and say yes, thats bad but... we're getting better. if i could say that, i promise you wouldn't hear another complaint out of me. but when i see 2 years of playing and little progression with this much talent... yeah, start gettin frustrated.

 

[trufan]

Maybe you can answer this one for me jimotis4heisman....

With Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn Jr, Anthony Gonzalez, and Roy Hall at WR, many would say that we have one of the better recieving corps in the big ten. Possibly maybe even one of the better recieving corps in the country.

If that is true, then why is it that after 6 games we have a mere 1,166 passing yards. Which happens to rank DEAD LAST in the big ten. Even Illinois who is 0-3 big ten, 2-4 overall has better passing numbers than we do.

The answer is a very conservative, predictable offense. We need to get the ball to the strength of our offensive unit.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

heres the iowa game

Iowa
run 12 yards
run 7 yards
sack
run 6 yards
run 13 yards
run 2 yards
run 1 yard
run 2 yards
run 0 yards
run 16 yards touchdown
run 2 yards
pass inc
run fumble
run 26 yards
run 8 yards
pass inc
run no gain
run 5 yards
pass inc
pass 6 yards
fg (yes on 1st down end half)
run 12 yards *fumble on play-osu recovers
scramble holding called
(1-20) run 1 yard
run 1 yard
24-0 in the 3rd
run 10 yards
run 1 yard
run 3 yards
run no gain
run - 4 yards
run no gain
run 2 yards
pass 29 yards
zwick goes in
run 1 yard
run 6 yards
run -2

on the first 25 1st downs (essentially when the game was not in ball control mode) we had
1 fg
1 sack
1 completed pass 6 yards
3 incomplete passes
19 runs (76%) for 120 yards 6.32 yards per carry

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Maybe you can answer this one for me jimotis4heisman....

With Santonio Holmes, Ted Ginn Jr, Anthony Gonzalez, and Roy Hall at WR, many would say that we have one of the better recieving corps in the big ten. Possibly maybe even one of the better recieving corps in the country.

If that is true, then why is it that after 6 games we have a mere 1,166 passing yards. Which happens to rank DEAD LAST in the big ten. Even Illinois who is 0-3 big ten, 2-4 overall has better passing numbers than we do.

The answer is a very conservative, predictable offense. We need to get the ball to the strength of our offensive unit.

this has been discussed throughly in countless other threads...

 

[NOTREDAMECHIEF]

i don't mind the losses to psu or texas. the fact that we lost isn't the issue. there is nothing to be ashamed of by loosing to quality teams like those. its the lack of progress in the offense that is burning me alive. we're not getting any better. we have waaaaaaay to much talent to be this inneffective. if it were a lack of talent, inability, youth, virtually anything you could pin the problems on and show some form of progression through the year. something i could look at and say yes, thats bad but... we're getting better. if i could say that, i promise you wouldn't hear another complaint out of me. but when i see 2 years of playing and little progression with this much talent... yeah, start gettin frustrated.

Yeah, I have to wonder what CW could do with your recievers.

 

[JXC]

LLLoyd Carr doesn't call plays. He just whines a lot!

you mean LLLLLoyd?