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Is hazing acceptable?

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scarletandgrey

scarletandgrey

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After watching Outside The Lines Nightly and about the Northwestern hazing incedent I was thinking. Is it appropiate? For me I believe that hazing to a degree is but the media makes it look horrific. Is it acceptable?
 
Northwestern students should know better than to put the pictures up on Facebook. They made their own bed with that.

I don't particularly have a problem with hazing, and suspect that many Ohio State teams engage in some sort of similar activity. They do manage to keep it under wraps a bit better. However, I can't say I'd be disappointed if it decreased to the point of the NFL, being tied to the goalpost or forced to bring donuts, carry luggage, etc.
 
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i don't believe in hazing. i think it's for frat. boys and sor. girls. BUT, with that being said, i do believe in seniority. i believe that the upperclassmen do earn the right to be more demanding on the f.o.b. (fresh of the boat). the new ones should be expected to put in their time and energy before they could reap the fruit of seniority.

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osu_edu said:
i don't believe in hazing. i think it's for frat. boys and sor. girls. BUT, with that being said, i do believe in seniority. i believe that the upperclassmen do earn the right to be more demanding on the f.o.b. (fresh of the boat). the new ones should be expected to put in their time and energy before they could reap the fruit of seniority.

:osu:

osu.edu ROCKS!!!
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Hazing is a tradition. Its a mark of acceptance. Every military unit I have been in has its own hazing rituals to accept new members. Some rituals have gone over the line and people have been maimed or killed. And those incidents ruin it for those with clean, controlled rituals.

We've gone to too many extremes. One side is too dangerous, the other too protective.
 
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scooter1369 said:
Hazing is a tradition. Its a mark of acceptance. Every military unit I have been in has its own hazing rituals to accept new members. Some rituals have gone over the line and people have been maimed or killed. And those incidents ruin it for those with clean, controlled rituals.

We've gone to too many extremes. One side is too dangerous, the other too protective.
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I think the main problem is lack of reasonable boundaries. I know of some instances from high school teams that were harmless, and I also know of a couple that were too violent, and one that was too sexual. The problem is that when the extremes are pointed out, one side says we need to do away with everything entirely, and the other side is in knee-jerk apologist mode. I think rites of passage are fine...but if they put a person in a truly significant health-compromising situation (either with violence or sex or both) I think that crosses the line.
 
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I have no problem with some hazing...however, when it gets to the point that your coach is sticking fingers up a player's butt (as recently happened with one of the Dublin HS lacrosse teams), it's gone a little too far

Being an asshole or blindfolding and taking someone in the woods is fine, and IMO, so is some degree of physical violence, but there definitely need to be some limits
 
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We don't know the entire story about the Northwestern hazing. From the pictures, it's hard to tell if that was really hazing or if the girls were just having a damn good time. If, say, the captains of the team forced those girls to strip down to their underwear and kiss each other, then that's one thing, but partying half naked isn't really hazing -- it's college. :biggrin:
 
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No. Tradition? Come on, does that make it right? I'm ok with harmless things like getting food for the team or cleaning their clothes but not something stupid that's humiliating, could get you hurt, or get you in trouble. It's usually taken too far.
 
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Sexual stuff is ridiculous, Force feeding large amounts of liquer can be dangerous, but swatting is time honored tradition.

Also, most "hazing" is things like cleaning the house, eating nasty foods, and building for parties. There is nothing wrong with this type of hazing

edit: and this northwestern thing is a non-story
 
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When I think of "hazing" I think of physical abuse, get stuff poured on your head, and worse. This kind of stuff should not be tolerated. Carrying seniors bags, cleaning up for parties, being a gofer,etc.-that is not hazing, it is initiation and the establishment of seniority.
 
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The only positive part of hazing is... you know you paid your dues... as did everyone in the group you are now part of... it's a helluva bonding agent...

Would I ever go thru it again.. knowing what I do... no friggin way... it was wreckless and insane... and some of the ones doing the hazing aren't screwed on straight.. and see it as a first time power trip...

but girls in t-shirts and panties is not hazing...
 
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IMO... frat hazing was berserk during and just after the Nam era.. (late 60s to late 70s) .. when guys came back from Nam and restarted school.. these guys brought back total mayhem to hazing.. some really wicked devious shit...
 
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NJ-Buckeye said:
IMO... frat hazing was berserk during and just after the Nam era.. (late 60s to late 70s) .. when guys came back from Nam and restarted school.. these guys brought back total mayhem to hazing.. some really wicked devious shit...
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the early 80's were pretty crazy too...at least sounded like it from some of the stories passed down.

bottom line is that there is no doubt things got out of hand but at the begining it served a purpose
 
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