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Hate more: ND or UM? (split from ND thread)

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t_BuckeyeScott said:
Actually this is false.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2004-12-02-utah-bcs-payday_x.htm

This article is form 04 but I think we can assume that Last 2 years numbers wouldn't vary much from the earlier numbers considering we averaged 1.5 BCS teams in that time. In the stated 6 year time frame B10 teams averaged 15.1 million which is slightly higher than last years BCS payout by the way. Considering ND hasn't gone to a BCS game every year its safe to say that ND hasn't averaged more bowl payout money than any B10 team. So there's your pie. Obviously doing a little research is more advantagous than your "thinking".
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Math was not my major, but let's tinker with this: in 2004 USA Today claims that over a SIX year period of time ELEVEN teams earned an approximate 15.1 M per year. Now Big 10 teams that go to bowls get a bigger cut than those that stay home and I'm assuming that the 15.1 is net and not gross, ie expenses have already been accounted for. So we divide 15.1 by eleven which comes out to 1.3 and change. In other words Notre Dame can sit on its ample ass and earn damn near as much as any Big 10 team BCS or no BCS.
 
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cincibuck said:
Math was not my major, but let's tinker with this: in 2004 USA Today claims that over a SIX year period of time ELEVEN teams earned an approximate 15.1 M per year. Now Big 10 teams that go to bowls get a bigger cut than those that stay home and I'm assuming that the 15.1 is net and not gross, ie expenses have already been accounted for. So we divide 15.1 by eleven which comes out to 1.3 and change. In other words Notre Dame can sit on its ample ass and earn damn near as much as any Big 10 team BCS or no BCS.
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If you read what it says that is average per school not per conference so that's 15.1 for everyone. It doesn't take a math major to read right? That's right you're the Lit guy. My bad.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott said:
If you read what it says that is average per school not per conference so that's 15.1 for everyone. It doesn't take a math major to read right? That's right you're the Lit guy. My bad.
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Don't make me fucking laugh. There is NO way we made 15.1 M (divided by 11) for the Fiesta Bowl unless Notre Dame ALSO made 15.1 M divided by zero.

BTW, read your own "research": With a projected payout of $14.4 million for landing in the BCS this season, Utah will more than triple the Mountain West's previous five-year BCS take. The league started play in 1999, the BCS' second season of operation.

Stated in the paragraph above that was the fact that Notre Dame would get a BCS share of 14.4 M. Now divide that by zero. We had 2 BCS teams so that 28.8 divided by 11 = 2.6M. Wanna go another round?
 
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t_BuckeyeScott said:
you conveniently igore that B10 teams will be averaging more money than ND makes even in a BCS year.
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I ignored you saying that the Big 10 team's share is $10 Million more than ND's because it is beyond absurd. The Big 10 teams split the bowl money between all 11 teams. How is that hard to comprehend?

Notre Dame does not get a one eleventh share of a Bowl pay-out.

OSU gets a slice of at most 2 BCS bowls, and one eleventh of at most 6 much smaller payouts (usually only 5). All that money combined is a spit in the ocean to a full share of a BCS payout. Even if ND got a HALF share, that is still more than what OSU would get if they went to a BCS bowl.

As for whether or not it matters:
I don't hate ND because of their "favored son" status with the media, or their network, or their reserved seat at the BCS table. But I do want Big 10 teams to beat them so that their seat at the table is pulled from under them.

My main reason for commenting here is that you are attacking someone older and wiser than yourself; someone I respect. State your case, but inferring that Cinci is somehow less intelligent than you won't help it.
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And now I'll correct my own mistake. Tha'ts 15.1 Million per team ( yes per team not conference) in a 6 year period or an averge of 2.52 million a year. Which again is average. But like you said the best teams will get higher payouts. And will average right around what ND gets. I suspect OSU will play in the same amount of BCS games as ND. I don't think it would be right that Illinois should get more money than ND.
 
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Doesn't OSU also profit from other B10 appearences in non BCS games. They have their own advantage that even in down years they are getting money. I'm not arguing that it is better for OSU if ND beats scUM just that it's not a reason to hate ND more. By that notion I should hate Vanderbilt more than I hate scUM because Vanderbilt is in the SEC and the SEC averages more total Bowl payouts than the B10 and if Vandy beats scUM this year then we're screwed.

DaddyBigBucks, ND will no longer be recieveing full payouts. Ok.
 
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Everyone pay close attention ND is no longer going to recieve the full pay out. They will be getting 4.5 Million if they make it which will probably be less than a total bowl payout for a BCS B10 team. Agreed this is not the 10 Million from earlier. But clearly ND is not recieveing serious more money than anyone else as was your claim.
 
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Go back and do your math again. If Notre Dame gets in a future BCS bowl they get 4.5M. Now assume the Big 10 gets 2 teams in the BCS... not a given, especially if their better teams, Penn State, Michigan State, Purdue and Michigan lose games to ND... that's 28.8 million which comes out to less than 3 M per team. Notre Dame divides their take with no one. If the Big ten gets only one team in a BCS bowl... which could easily happen, they'd split 14.4 11 ways. Notre Dame has leverage and it took the collective leverage of the Big 10, Big 12, SEC and PAC 10 to whittle their share down to 4.5 from a full share.

Want more proof? Both teams headed off to the Fiesta with identical records, but who played the tougher schedule? Who had the better game against Michigan or Michigan State? But who wore the home jerseys?
 
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t_BuckeyeScott said:
Everyone pay close attention ND is no longer going to recieve the full pay out. They will be getting 4.5 Million if they make it which will probably be less than a total bowl payout for a BCS B10 team. Agreed this is not the 10 Million from earlier. But clearly ND is not recieveing serious more money than anyone else as was your claim.
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Serious question here...are you the dumbass in your avatar? If so, that explains everything...
 
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