Greatest need for improvement....

[osugrad21]

id rather see the other team score on an occasional big play than take 5 minutes off the clock and score anyways and our offense doesnt get the chance to put points up for us cause they are not on the field. not to mention the defense has a better chance of forcing TO's if we mixed it up.

1) The coverages are mixed up well. Therefore, I would question how many of them you are recognizing.

2) No defense EVER wants to give up a big play and I would never prefer to see that than a bend don't break philosophy.

Not trying to pile up on you here, but I think your viewpoint here is severely misguided.

I'll agree to disagree here.

no im saying limas sweed had a tremendous advanatge being 6'5" and with the highest vetical on the team the coverage really didnt matter. you throw a jump vs our shorter and lower vertical leap dbs.......well you saw the end result. thats alright we are bringing our own version of james hardy next year. plus halls a BIG guy.

Salley was late over the top...it was his zone, it was a perfect ball, and Salley vs. Sweed is not a big height advantage.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

not all the time but i hate seeing us get ripped up defenselessly in the first half of games and the other team can do it with ease. one of these times we are not going to come back from it. luckily we have the talent and athlets to make it through with a W in most cases but i really dislike teetering on the edge of defeat, MSU could of, texas did, minny went all over us, cinci was a dropped pass from winning, NC state took us to 3OT's. its always close. now yes you will have your close games but mix it up more. id rather see the other team score on an occasional big play than take 5 minutes off the clock and score anyways and our offense doesnt get the chance to put points up for us cause they are not on the field. not to mention the defense has a better chance of forcing TO's if we mixed it up.

I'm calling bullshit. You'd rather see OSU give up the occassional big play until they start actually giving up the occasional big play.

Average Per Completion...... 5.1 (Illinois)
Average Per Completion...... 20.2 (Ohio State)

Which D gave up "the occasional big play?"

And Minny got so many passing yards because of the deep ball, not the 5 yarder you're so worried about.

 

[Jeffcat]

1) The coverages are mixed up well. Therefore, I would question how many of them you are recognizing.

2) No defense EVER wants to give up a big play and I would never prefer to see that than a bend don't break philosophy.

Not trying to pile up on you here, but I think your viewpoint here is severely misguided.

I'll agree to disagree here.


Salley was late over the top...it was his zone, it was a perfect ball, and Salley vs. Sweed is not a big height advantage.

our coverages for the overwhelming majority are soft zones unless a team is running twins right or a dual TE formation. it changes but not very often and in most of the cases its only a change because we have whitner blitzing or carp blitzing leaving a guy to stay up.

i suppose its preference. i have confidence our d can still be solid in man and cover 2 when its used more often but i find it demoralizing as a player if you feel as if you are stopping them and look back around and they are getting ready to score. preference there i suppose.

yea salley is only about 3 inches lower overall but sweed has one of the best verticals in the country. texas runs that play all the time. simliar to our fade in 02 where it was basically unstoppable except they run it in reverse fashion and let sweed turn around and jump up and get it. i suppose i cant blame them.

 

[Jeffcat]

I'm calling bullshit. You'd rather see OSU give up the occassional big play until they start actually giving up the occasional big play.

Average Per Completion...... 5.1 (Illinois)
Average Per Completion...... 20.2 (Ohio State)

Which D gave up "the occasional big play?"

And Minny got so many passing yards because of the deep ball, not the 5 yarder you're so worried about.

which team is clearly the better team in the top 10 now and which is last in the big 10 getting thumped by the 2nd last team in the big 10?

about minny i do have to agree with you there to a degree. they did burn us deep with their height but nonetheless they still ran numerous 7 yard outs where they got the ball and just tip toed out of bounds.

 

[cincibuck]

Greatest need for improvement....

1. Turnover margin. The defense needs to create turnovers and of all three units I never thought I'd hold my breath with the special teams being TD-or-bust under Jim Tressel. This is a complete 180 from how the 2002 team played.

We are in complete agreement.

2. Second greatest need for improvement is the fan base. How anyone can get on a message board the day after the team thumps a conference opponent by 38 points, scoring on seven consecutive drives ... and complain about the offense is beyond me. 526 total yards and people still find new things to complain about. :(

Let's see, Illinois gave up more than 120 points in their previous two games and the score is 3 zip at the end of the first quarter... in our stadium... Illinois was one play from taking the lead throughout much of the second quarter (and damn near got it if it hadn't been for a determined tackle by Whittner)... the offense was given the ball no worse than our own 35 four times and we had exactly 3 points to show for it and you think that's going to hold true in Ann Arbor and we're still going to win? There were some things to like yesterday, not the least of which was Smith putting the ball deep several times and just letting Ginn or Holmes try and out run the ball. But the first half running game was less than inspiring.

 

[Jeffcat]

We are in complete agreement.

Let's see, Illinois gave up more than 120 points in their previous two games and the score is 3 zip at the end of the first quarter... in our stadium... Illinois was one play form taking the lead throughout much of the second quarter (and damn near got it if it hadn't been for a determined tackle by Whittner)... the offense was given the ball no worse than our own 35 four times and we had exactly 3 points to show for it and you think that's going to hold true in Ann Arbor and we're still going to win? There were some things to like yesterday, not the least of which was Smith putting the ball deep several times and just letting Ginn or Holmes try and out run the ball. But the first half running game was less than inspiring.

yea my thoughts as well. i wasnt really worried about a loss but i was eager to see the backups play. i was a little confused by our inability to run the ball. granted we still had quite a few yards and everything but didnt have any real great holes and we got stuffed quite a few times for minimal gains.

 

[osugrad21]

our coverages for the overwhelming majority are soft zones unless a team is running twins right or a dual TE formation. it changes but not very often and in most of the cases its only a change because we have whitner blitzing or carp blitzing leaving a guy to stay up.

Twins right? Double Tight? Man?

Jeff, do you honestly have a clue about you are talking about? I really have my doubts after your last post.

Not only are those two strange choices for exclusive man coverage, but the inclusion of only Twins right seems extremely strange and leads to believe you are just making stuff up now.

As I said before, I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

[Onebuckfan]

My only concern for the O is the line. I think TS is doing ok, his TD to INt is ok with me. Its easier to see open receivers in C-deck than on the field.

 

[Jeffcat]

Twins right? Double Tight? Man?

Jeff, do you honestly have a clue about you are talking about? I really have my doubts after your last post.

Not only are those two strange choices for exclusive man coverage, but the inclusion of only Twins right seems extremely strange and leads to believe you are just making stuff up now.

As I said before, I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

yea im a dumbass there i dunno what im thinking sometimes. almost as bad as me scooping the ice cream in the milk glass the other day. i meant to say doubles but nevermind my mind has been a whirlpool the past few days.:2004:

 

[osugrad21]

If you man up against double slot, crossing routes will kill you. That is why you see cover 3 so much or a cover 2 combo coverage against spread formations. If you want to pressure the passer in a spread offense, you have to account for all of the receivers and hopefully still leave your FS to play the middle. Man up against the spread leaves a LB to cover a WR...and I don't care how the LB runs, it is a mismatch you do not want as a DC.

 

[808 Buck]

What I would love to see in the final two games, is an increased ability to run the ball effectively on short yardage critical downs. I wasn't real excited by our performance yesterday between the tackles. Others have alluded to improved red zone performance, and the use of play action. Well, if your O-line can knock people off the LOS in crucial situations, these things will open up. Our pass protection has improved, so hopefully we will put it all together. It's money time (no booster jokes please).

 

[Dryden]

Let's see, Illinois gave up more than 120 points in their previous two games and the score is 3 zip at the end of the first quarter... in our stadium... Illinois was one play from taking the lead throughout much of the second quarter (and damn near got it if it hadn't been for a determined tackle by Whittner)... the offense was given the ball no worse than our own 35 four times and we had exactly 3 points to show for it and you think that's going to hold true in Ann Arbor and we're still going to win? There were some things to like yesterday, not the least of which was Smith putting the ball deep several times and just letting Ginn or Holmes try and out run the ball. But the first half running game was less than inspiring.

And my question is ... so what? The team came out and wasn't really inspired by the competition of the Illinois Fighting Illini. So what? Troy hadn't found his rhythm (first, second, and fourth drives weren't helped by him throwing behind receivers) and the third drive stalled thanks to a substitution infraction. So what? Why is it such a concern that the team only had 3 points at the end of the 1st quarter? You do realize those were the game winning points, right?

Two punts, two FGs, five consecutive TDs. Are you saying you won't be happy with the offense unless the team scores nine consecutive TDs? Isn't that a bit unrealistic? Bullshit. If they do that, then someone will complain that Justin didn't get enough PT, or that Haw didn't get enough carries, or that Hall isn't involved in the offense enough, or that the offense isn't statistically ranked high enough.

It's absolutely infuriating to me that all people do is complain about this, that, or the other thing. Hey everyone, I found the goat, it's Troy, no wait it's Justin, no it's JT, nope it's Bollman, hell let's blame Clarett.

This class of seniors and RS juniors is 40-8. They are 2-1 against Michigan, 3-0 in bowls, have two Top-5 finishes, two BCS/Fiesta bowl trophies, a national championship, an outside shot at another Top-5 finish and BCS appearance, and all people do is piss and moan on the Internet and on radio call-in shows because that's just not good enough.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

What I would love to see in the final two games, is an increased ability to run the ball effectively on short yardage critical downs. I wasn't real excited by our performance yesterday between the tackles. Others have alluded to improved red zone performance, and the use of play action. Well, if your O-line can knock people off the LOS in crucial situations, these things will open up. Our pass protection has improved, so hopefully we will put it all together. It's money time (no booster jokes please).

Maybe 21 can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the problem between the tackles was owing in large part to Illinois selling out to stop that.

 

[osugrad21]

Maybe 21 can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the problem between the tackles was owing in large part to Illinois selling out to stop that.

True, but according to some folks around here, 8 people in the box should not stop a running game.

 

[AKAK]

Maybe 21 can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the problem between the tackles was owing in large part to Illinois selling out to stop that.

Incorrect. Pittman and Wells actually had stomach Cramps in the First Quarter because they were found just minutes before the game in the Concession Stands biting of half a nacho chip and throwing the other half back in the bag.

Apparently, a similar incident happened to Zwick to send him to the locker room early in the Indiana Game, though it involved etaing half of every jalapeno peppers (and giving the other half to Coach Hazell...). Zwick was later quoted as saying, "Damn, those canned peppers hurt twice.... What? Todd Got in the game... well, he was drinking the cheese... that's not going to be pretty tomorrow."