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Game Thread Game One: #1 Ohio State 35, Northern Illinois 12 (9/2/06)

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MililaniBuckeye said:
Uh, Wells was the top recruit in the entire class last year and was the MVP of the Army All-American game, so he's clearly earned that recognition. As for the ESPN article, there's a big difference between "a star in the making" and "a rising superstar".
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He hasn't played a down in college football. He was a star in high school, but that doesn't mean he is a star in college.

Wells probably will be a superstar, but he hasn't done anything yet at the college level. At least Britt has played and produced.

I don't think the articles mean rising superstars as in guys hyped up like Jarrett and Holmes and Ginn, but more as MAC level superstars like Jennings was last year.

When you set freshman recieving records after being a QB until 2 weeks before the season, you are going to get some hype. When your coach says you have a chance to be the best WR in school history when multiple NFL WR have come from your school, you are going to get some hype. Yes I realize multiple NFL WR isn't a big deal to you guys, but for a MAC school it is.
 
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G-FORCE said:
...I don't think the articles mean rising superstars as in guys hyped up like Jarrett and Holmes and Ginn, but more as MAC level superstars like Jennings was last year.

When you set freshman recieving records after being a QB until 2 weeks before the season, you are going to get some hype...
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Superstars are superstars...you don't have MAC superstars, CUSA superstars, etc. As for setting freshman receiving records, sorry, but setting freshman records at NIU isn't all that impressive. Now, no one is saying that this kid won't turn out to be a pro-level WR. It just appears that there's more than a touch of hyperbole...
 
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Dryden said:
It's 2006, not 1966.

Sorry, but your argument has no merit when 3/4ths of the Big-10 runs finesse, spread offenses or pro-style offenses. If you want to see good ole' I-formation, power football, the SEC is probably the place to go. Heck, the Pac-10 had four of the nations Top-10 running backs last year.

Five of the Top-21 QBs in pass eff, however, are from the Big-10. Eight Big-10 QBs placed in the top-half among all NCAA QBs for pass eff. Meanwhile, six Big-10 teams are in the Bottom-30 for pass defense.

In 2006, Big-10 conf. defenses will likely be down across the board, while some of the best QBs in the country will return for their senior years.

It's a recipe for a lot of TDs. Everyone except Minnesota and Wisconsin runs a spread, read-option, or pro offense. Minnesota and Wisconsin, incidentally, both return really good QBs but lose their stud RBs. They'll likely be throwing it more too.

If you look at the Top-15 rushing teams in the NCAA, you'll see that the Pac-10 (Southern Cal, Cal, Washington St) actually had more top tier running teams than the Big-10 did last year (Minnesota, Penn St).

This isn't anything new. This has been a ten-year trend in the Big-10. The 'Big-10 is a smashmouth, 3-yard-and-a-cloud league' myth ranks right up there with the 'Florida speed' and 'the Pac-10 doesn't play defense' myths. You don't need to look at stats, or team rankings, or anything else on paper, just watch the freakin' games, and you'll see this is evident. These things are cyclical.

Now, if you said that "historically, the Big-10 is the toughest, most physical conference" then I'd agree with that, but that simply isn't the case right now.

Somehow, these 30, 40, and 50-year old college football myths continue to persist, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary. The Top 5 or 6 teams in the BCS leagues are all recruiting the same kids from the same states. Ohio kids aren't bigger than Louisiana kids, and Florida kids aren't faster than Texas kids. The only people who still believe this crap are Beano Cook and Lee Corso, and that probably says alot about why one was a failure as an AD and the other a failure as a coach. The Top-30 to Top-40 teams at the D1A level are separated by nothing more than good coaches, good recruiters, and tradition.

The best teams from the Big-10, Pac-10, Big-12, SEC, ACC, and even the Big East could beat each other on any given Saturday of any given year.
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Somehow this has turned into an argument about offense when it started out on defense. I was talking about how Garrett Wolfe wouldn't hold up through a Big 10 conference schedule if he played it. That was my point. Now with your argument, I guess he would if his team ran the spread and pro-style offense because he wouldn't get as many touches. But the NIU guys are pimping Wolfe to be one of the best backs in the nation and I was simply trying to point out that his durability would be tested during a Big 10 schedule. Why do you think that Big 10 teams are all switching to spread it out and throw it offenses? Because they are getting no where trying to ram it down teams throats. In 2002, the season we won it all, we had one of the best backs in the nation in Maurice Clarett. Now we all know Maurice was a pretty solid built guy (6', 230)and he took a pounding through the schedule and ended up hurting by the end of the season. Yes, that was 2002, but the defenses haven't gotten dramatically worse since then against the run. So Dryden, I'm not arguing with you on most of your points, my argument was simply that Garrett Wolfe would not hold up through the pounding he would take in the Big 10 on a run first team.
 
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how do you see the O-line Matching up tOSU D-line?
how do you see the secondary matching up with Ginn and Gonzo?
how do you see the LB's defending a Mobile QB?

I mean If ND, scUM couldn't, how do you expect NIU too?

I mean the wolf pack I bet has great athletes, but do they have the coaching to out fox one the greatest coaches in the game today. Maybe wolfe is a better RB, maybe the WR's are twice as fast and can catch anything but when it comes down to does NIU have the Muscle and More Importantly the Brains to do so. I see a David vs. Goliath here, yes David did win that battle, but are the coaches that smart enough to deliver.
 
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sonofbrutus5 said:
how do you see the O-line Matching up tOSU D-line?
how do you see the secondary matching up with Ginn and Gonzo?
how do you see the LB's defending a Mobile QB?

I mean If ND, scUM couldn't, how do you expect NIU too?

I mean the wolf pack I bet has great athletes, but do they have the coaching to out fox one the greatest coaches in the game today. Maybe wolfe is a better RB, maybe the WR's are twice as fast and can catch anything but when it comes down to does NIU have the Muscle and More Importantly the Brains to do so. I see a David vs. Goliath here, yes David did win that battle, but are the coaches that smart enough to deliver.
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The O-Line will be fine.
Secondary matchups scare the hell out of me.
The linebackers are the strongest group on the D, but Troy Smith will be Troy Smith. He is going to make plays against us (although I think we will contain him on the ground), and you are going to score. I am much more worried about his arm then his legs.
 
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G-FORCE said:
The O-Line will be fine.
Secondary matchups scare the hell out of me.
The linebackers are the strongest group on the D, but Troy Smith will be Troy Smith. He is going to make plays against us (although I think we will contain him on the ground), and you are going to score. I am much more worried about his arm then his legs.
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Who is the most Mobile QB they faced in the MAC last year?
 
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G-FORCE said:
The O-Line will be fine.
Secondary matchups scare the hell out of me.
The linebackers are the strongest group on the D, but Troy Smith will be Troy Smith. He is going to make plays against us (although I think we will contain him on the ground), and you are going to score. I am much more worried about his arm then his legs.
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Define "contain" please. I just want a number if you have something in mind.
 
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Bucklion said:
Did a good job against Kent Smith too...though he also lit up your secondary.
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Yes he did.

Rushing- 19 carries, 12 yards
Passing- 33/51 382 yards, 4 TDs

That was an amazing game. They ran an amazing amount of plays, Horvath threw for 115 yards in the first quater before getting hurt. Then Nicholson threw for 320 yards in 3 quaters. Hurd had 266 recieving yards, and they missed a tieing field goal as time expired.

CMU had 588 total yards and lost.
 
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G-FORCE said:
Yes he did.

Rushing- 19 carries, 12 yards
Passing- 33/51 382 yards, 4 TDs

That was an amazing game. They ran an amazing amount of plays, Horvath threw for 115 yards in the first quater before getting hurt. Then Nicholson threw for 320 yards in 3 quaters. Hurd has 266 recieving yards, and they missed a tieing field goal as time expired.

CMU had 588 total yards and lost.
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They were a pretty good team last year...it was a nice win.
 
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