Who wins on the red clay at Roland Garros?
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bigdog3300
The G.O.A.T.
Nadal has to be the clear cut favorite based on how great his play has been lately, just absolutely unstoppable.
Sad to see no Del Potro til November though. I'm not sure Nadal will have much of a challenge barring injury concerns, which is always a worry. This might be the tournament Fed's GS SF streak is snapped.
Sad to see no Del Potro til November though. I'm not sure Nadal will have much of a challenge barring injury concerns, which is always a worry. This might be the tournament Fed's GS SF streak is snapped.
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Here's the way the seeds landed in the men's draw:
01 - Federer
27 - F. Lopez
20 - Wawrinka
13 - Monfils
10 - Cilic
23 - Gulbis
29 - Montanes
05 - Soderling
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04 - Murray
25 - Baghdatis
17 - Isner
15 - Berdych
11 - Youzhny
21 - Robredo
32 - G Garcia-Lopez
08 - Tsonga
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06 - Roddick
26 - Monaco
22 - Melzer
09 - Ferrer
16 - Ferraro
18 - Querrey
31 - Hanescu
03 - Djokovic
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07 - Verdasco
30 - Kohlschreiber
19 - Almagro
12 - Gonzalez
14 - Ljubicic
24 - Bellucci
28 - Hewitt
02 - Nadal
01 - Federer
27 - F. Lopez
20 - Wawrinka
13 - Monfils
10 - Cilic
23 - Gulbis
29 - Montanes
05 - Soderling
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04 - Murray
25 - Baghdatis
17 - Isner
15 - Berdych
11 - Youzhny
21 - Robredo
32 - G Garcia-Lopez
08 - Tsonga
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06 - Roddick
26 - Monaco
22 - Melzer
09 - Ferrer
16 - Ferraro
18 - Querrey
31 - Hanescu
03 - Djokovic
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07 - Verdasco
30 - Kohlschreiber
19 - Almagro
12 - Gonzalez
14 - Ljubicic
24 - Bellucci
28 - Hewitt
02 - Nadal
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LitlBuck;1707057; said:Sometimes I just don't understand how players get seeded. On clay, Nadal should be the #1 seed even though Federer is the #1 ranked in the world. There is no way he should be ranked #1 on clay
At least Federer is the defending champion, and he and Nadal are in opposite halves. Take a look at the women's draw - it's much worse.
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Flocka
Where you going? NOWHERE!
LitlBuck;1707057; said:Sometimes I just don't understand how players get seeded. On clay, Nadal should be the #1 seed even though Federer is the #1 ranked in the world. There is no way he should be ranked #1 on clay
All tournaments go by ranking excluding Wimbledon.
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Bucknut24
Trolololol
wooow, what a ridiculous 5th set between Monfils and Fognini, it got to 4-4 in the 5th set, its about 9:30 there, looked like the match would be called for darkness (no lights), but Monfils wanted to keep playing Fognini didn't, so the head offical came out and said keep playing, Fognini was LIVID, 6 minutes later they give Fognini a point penalty for delay a game, somehow he's able to hold serve, then they play a another game, and its almost pitch black, Fognini gets 2 match point on Monfils serve, but Monfils comes back and hold at 5-5, match is finally called at 10:00pm, it was pretty much pitch black when they finished, most ridiculous thing I've seen in a while.
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Bucknut24;1710311; said:
Solderling prevailed and advanced, ending Fed's 24 match streak of reaching the semifinals in major tournaments.
Looks like Robin Solderling is healthy again.
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BB73;1707053; said:
BB73 with an eye for details others miss!
Who would have ever thought that the French Open organizers deciding to put the #1 and 5 seeds into the same quarter would make such a decided difference in the history books.
As BB73 inferred, a standard draw would have matched the #1 and 8 seeds and #4 and 5 seeds in the quarterfinals and allowed Federer to potentially face #8 Tsonga, and likely keep alive the longest semifinal appearance streak in major tournaments.
Wonder if we will hear any more about this anomaly of seeding by the Fed camp?
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ghost of tibor
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gracelhink;1710323; said:
Even more amazing is that it's been about 25 GS tournaments (maybe more; I figured this out a few months ago) where the winner has been either Federer or the person who knocked out Federer. I think the last time Federer lost to a total dud was in 2004 or so. He once lost in the 3rd round of the French to Gustavo Kuerton.
So, my money's on Soderling.
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gracelhink;1710464; said:
I don't think it's an anomaly. I think that for the last few years the majors have done the seeding draws in this manner:
Put #1 and #2 on separate halves.
Draw randomly to assign #3 and #4 to separate halves.
Draw randomly among #5 through #8 to assign them to a quarter.
Draw randomly to assign #9 through #12, and then #13 through #16 into separate eighths.
Since they went to 32 seeds, do the same thing for seeds #17 through #32 (either 4, or 8 at a time).
They do that in order to prevent somebody from tanking a match in the last few weeks before a major in order to slot themselves into a certain seed to face somebody they think they can beat. In other words, to prevent somebody from losing in order to from from #6 to #7 in order to play the #2 seed instead of #3. For example, if Nadal was #3 coming into the French, and the quarters were assigned by an S-curve, a player would be smart to drop from #6 to #7 just before the French Open.
I don't know this for a fact - I'm just assuming it based on the way the draws have been for the last several years in tennis majors.
Fed got a bad draw in getting #5, but those are the breaks that are necessary to avoid players trying to game the system if a true S-curve seeding was used in the draw.
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