Florida's been around since 1990 or longer

[Gatorubet]

Um, I never brought up any such words.

Hey Alpaca - I wasn't responding to you with every word. I was just making more speech money. :p

I just said I was irritated by the sense of entitlement many UF fans and journalists have towards recruits. .

Yeper. We're as arrogant and entitlement minded a program (fans anyway) as any time since I've been a fan. Course, I lived the 0-10-1 year, so I was vaccinated against that.

 

[Gatorubet]

Just curious... because both the Buckeyes and Florida have been playing football for far more than 30 years. How would you define football tradition at UF? Does it compare favorably with tOSU?

[For Muck] Better. [/For Muck] Our co-eds wear sun dresses or short short and bikini tops to the games all year. Our band sucks tho... Yours rocks! :osu:

 

[computerji]

Found this extremely embarrassing, and probably explains how UF ends up on top year after year:

Q: when was the last time that the Florida Gators played a regular season non-conference game OUTSIDE of the state of Florida?? - JN

A: September 21st, 1991. Syracuse 38, Florida 21. Before that there was a 38-13 win over Memphis in 1989. Oooooooh.

Scout.com: ASK CFN - The Bowl Matchups (1/22)

Way to go Urban.

Just off the top of my head I can remember the following out of state trips for OSU since 1991: Syracuse, Washington, USC, Texas, BC (Pigskin classic), Missouri, Miami (Pigskin), UCLA.

 

[msj2487]

Found this extremely embarrassing, and probably explains how UF ends up on top year after year:

Q: when was the last time that the Florida Gators played a regular season non-conference game OUTSIDE of the state of Florida?? - JN

A: September 21st, 1991. Syracuse 38, Florida 21. Before that there was a 38-13 win over Memphis in 1989. Oooooooh.

Scout.com: ASK CFN - The Bowl Matchups (1/22)

Way to go Urban.

Just off the top of my head I can remember the following out of state trips for OSU since 1991: Syracuse, Washington, USC, Texas, BC (Pigskin classic), Missouri, Miami (Pigskin), UCLA.

Don't forget that Florida's idea of out of conference scheduling only includes 1AA, Sun Belt, Conference USA, and MAC teams... forget trying to challenge themselves, no wonder an SEC team can make the title game every year.

Also, because I'm bored and absolutely hate Florida, Meyer, Tebow and all of the SEC so damn much, here's a look at Florida's non-conference opponents since 1990, excluding occasional rivals Miami(FL), and rival Florida State:

Charleston Southern (1AA)
Troy (Sun Belt)
Florida International (Sun Belt)
Hawaii (WAC)
Citadel (1AA)
Western Kentucky (Sun Belt - at the time though was a D1AA school moving to D1A)
Troy (Sun Belt)
Florida Atlantic (Sun Belt)
Southern Mississippi (Conference USA)
Central Florida (Conference USA)
Western Carolina (1AA)
Wyoming (Mountain West)
Louisiana Tech (Sun Belt)
Eastern Michigan (MAC)
Middle Tennessee State (Sun Belt)
San Jose State (WAC)
Florida A&M (1AA)
UAB (Conference USA)
Ohio (MAC)
Marshall (Conference USA)
Louisiana Monroe (Sun Belt)
Ball State (MAC)
Middle Tennessee State (Sun Belt)
Western Michigan (MAC)
Central Florida (Conference USA)
Citadel (1AA)
Louisiana Monroe (Sun Belt)
Southern Mississippi (Conference USA)
Central Michigan (MAC)
Louisiana Lafayette (Sun Belt)
Georgia Southern (1AA)
Houston (Conference USA)
Northern Illinois (MAC)
New Mexico State (WAC)
Southern Mississippi (Conference USA)
Arkansas State (Sun Belt)
Louisiana Lafayette (Sun Belt)
Louisville (Big East - at the time though was Conference USA)
Southern Mississippi (Conference USA)
San Jose State (WAC)
Northern Illinois (MAC)
Oklahoma State (Big 12)
Furman (1AA)
Akron (MAC)

Actually, this is too funny, I'm going back to 1980, because in 1988 they played TWO D1AA teams, hahaha pathetic:

Louisiana Tech (Sun Belt)
Memphis (Conference USA)
New Mexico (Mountain West)
Montana State (1AA)
Indiana State (1AA)
Memphis (Conference USA)
Tulsa (Conference USA)
Fullerton State (1AA) - really?
Temple (MAC - but back then would have been Independent I believe)
Georgia Southern (1AA)
Kent State (MAC)
Rutgers (Big East)
Rutgers (Big East)
Louisiana Lafayette (Sun Belt)
Virginia Tech (Big East)
Tulane (Conference USA)
Syracuse (Big East)
Cincinnati (Big East, but at that time would have been Conference USA)
USC (Pac 10) - surprising!
Indiana State (1AA) - but back to the normal
East Carolina (Conference USA) *LOST*
USC (Pac 10)
West Texas A&M (1AA) - man I'm learning a whole bunch of new teams from this
Tulane (Conference USA)
Furman (1AA)
Georgia Tech (ACC)
Maryland (ACC)
California (Pac 10)
Georgia Tech (ACC)
Louisville (Big East - but again would have been Conference USA back then)

After that who really cares, because Florida football was completely irrelevant before 1980. So in summary we come to Florida playing the following opponents:

Conference USA: 18
1AA: 15
Sun Belt: 14
BCS Conference Teams: 11
MAC: 9
WAC: 4
Mountain West: 2
Independent: 1

Florida surprised me with 11 BCS opponents, but 10 of them were played from 1980-1986 and included the likes of Rutgers (twice), irrelevant Virginia Tech days, and Maryland. The other 1 opponent was in 1991... so 0 in the past 19 years.

I also think it is hysterical that Ohio State got so much shit for playing Youngstown State two times (the only 1AA team we've played since 1942 when we crushed Fort Knox 59-0) while Florida has played 15 1AA schools in the last 30 years and 80 total in their "storied" past.

Florida = cowards.

 

[3074326]

Florida = cowards.

Oh come on.

I refuse to call a team a bunch of cowards after doing what they've done over the course of Meyer's career there. They've more than proven that they can play with and beat anyone.

 

[msj2487]

Oh come on.

I refuse to call a team a bunch of cowards after doing what they've done over the course of Meyer's career there. They've more than proven that they can play with and beat anyone.

What have they done since Meyer's been there? Get a bullshit win in the Outback Bowl over Iowa in '05, win two national titles, lose to a terrible Michigan team in '07, blow out and keep starters in all game against an OVERRATED cincy team, and beat 4 D1AA schools, 1 Mountain West, 5 Sun Belt, 2 CUSA, and 1 WAC team? Sure the titles are nice but lets face it he has it pretty easy when it comes to competition.

 

[Gatorubet]

Found this extremely embarrassing, and probably explains how UF ends up on top year after year:

Q: when was the last time that the Florida Gators played a regular season non-conference game OUTSIDE of the state of Florida?? - JN

A: September 21st, 1991. Syracuse 38, Florida 21. Before that there was a 38-13 win over Memphis in 1989. Oooooooh.

Scout.com: ASK CFN - The Bowl Matchups (1/22)

Way to go Urban.

Just off the top of my head I can remember the following out of state trips for OSU since 1991: Syracuse, Washington, USC, Texas, BC (Pigskin classic), Missouri, Miami (Pigskin), UCLA.

I guess playing perennial (14 straight) top 5 finisher FSU all those years was a cake walk as the games were played in the state of Florida.

If only we could have played Missou or BC instead.

 

[billmac91]

I think Gators point stands. UF is no flash in the pan anymore, so they'll likely be just fine without Tebow.

I think the sentiment that UF may run into some trouble is more of Urban's offensive philosophy vs. the SEC. I'll be the first to admit, I never thought a wing-T type system with a QB that pounded the ball up the gut would work in the SEC, but Tebow was a fullback with enough QB skills.

It will be interesting to see how the offense evolves with Brantley, and how Urban adjusts to not having a brusier for short yardage situations. I certainly don't think UF is about to go into a FSU decline, but I don't think they'll see anything close to the last 4 year period for the rest of Urban's tenure. Tebow was the perfect QB for Meyer's system and he had the physical tools to mostly withstand the grind of the SEC.

 

[3074326]

What have they done since Meyer's been there? Get a bullshit win in the Outback Bowl over Iowa in '05, win two national titles, lose to a terrible Michigan team in '07, blow out and keep starters in all game against an OVERRATED cincy team, and beat 4 D1AA schools, 1 Mountain West, 5 Sun Belt, 2 CUSA, and 1 WAC team? Sure the titles are nice but lets face it he has it pretty easy when it comes to competition.

Bolded, and I don't even know how to respond to this. I should ask you what else they have to do to get your respect?

 

[jwinslow]

I guess playing perennial (14 straight) top 5 finisher FSU all those years was a cake walk as the games were played in the state of Florida.

I'd rather play a familiar opponent close to home than a difficult one across the country... the numbers back that up as well:

SEC 5-10-1 in scheduled games outside of region

- Note the above numbers were for the last decade, except for schools like UGA & UF who required a larger span.

 

[Muck]

I guess playing perennial (14 straight) top 5 finisher FSU all those years was a cake walk as the games were played in the state of Florida.

...and managed a very respective 4-11-1 (16 games because of 2 bowl meetings) vs FSU during those 14 yearsl.

On the other hand the Gators have done quite well (7-2) against FSU since they've become a perennial 7-6 team.

 

[Gatorubet]

...and managed a very respective 4-11-1 (16 games because of 2 bowl meetings) vs FSU during those 14 yearsl.

On the other hand the Gators have done quite well (7-2) against FSU since they've become a perennial 7-6 team.

Quite right Muck. I'm just saying a 7-5 team out of conference and out of state means less than playing a really good team. Arkansas caught some USC butt whippings when USC was playing pretty damn good. I tend to think that it was Heisman caliber players and all of those 5 star athletes that were to blame, and not the geography. But I understand that it will be a matter of disagreement until the glaciers melt...or maybe even past 2014

 

[jwinslow]

Arkansas caught some USC butt whippings when USC was playing pretty damn good. I tend to think that it was Heisman caliber players and all of those 5 star athletes that were to blame, and not the geography.

The last time UF scheduled USC, their 4-win stars tied your 9-win squad. Tennessee handled Cal at home, then got destroyed out in Berkeley.

Perhaps there's something to the geography thing after all, even it it isn't about temperature every time.

 

[msj2487]

Bolded, and I don't even know how to respond to this. I should ask you what else they have to do to get your respect?

I'll bold this one for you in return:

What have they done since Meyer's been there? Get a bullshit win in the Outback Bowl over Iowa in '05, win two national titles, lose to a terrible Michigan team in '07, blow out and keep starters in all game against an OVERRATED cincy team, and beat 4 D1AA schools, 1 Mountain West, 5 Sun Belt, 2 CUSA, and 1 WAC team? Sure the titles are nice but lets face it he has it pretty easy when it comes to competition.

You're missing my point completely, you can respect the gaytors all you want, I on the other will never respect anything from the SEC or USC, its just the way I am.

I see no reason to respect them either, especially when every SEC team gets to play the cupcakes to the cupcakes and have 6 or 7 undefeated and ranked teams at the beginning of the season so the media dangles from their sacs and says WOW what a conference, they just beat each other up. Putting Ole Miss at #4 earlier this season was an absolute joke as was having Vandy even considered for a ranking a few years ago.

 

[3074326]

I'll bold this one for you in return:

You're missing my point completely, you can respect the gaytors all you want, I on the other will never respect anything from the SEC or USC, its just the way I am.

I see no reason to respect them either, especially when every SEC team gets to play the cupcakes to the cupcakes and have 6 or 7 undefeated and ranked teams at the beginning of the season so the media dangles from their sacs and says WOW what a conference, they just beat each other up. Putting Ole Miss at #4 earlier this season was an absolute joke as was having Vandy even considered for a ranking a few years ago.

I'm not missing your point. I just don't agree with it. I don't think it makes any sense. If Florida went to bowl games and got completely dominated, then I'd agree with you.

The entire SEC does well in bowl games. I don't think they're BY FAR the best conference, but I think over the course of Urban's tenure at Florida that the SEC has been the best conference. Three different teams in that conference have won the title recently. That's impressive. Florida is beating good teams to get to their bowl games - just not early in the year.

The part you bolded doesn't make sense either. You don't face easy competition in the national championship game.