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Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma St -3.5 vs Stanford (ov/un 74.5) Mon 8:30 ET, ESPN

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TooTallMenardo;2077976; said:
:lol: Rebuild... They were 10-6 last year. :shake:
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Have you met the Colts? The aging wonders that are Saturday, Wayne, Freeney, and Manning. The RB, WR, and OL groups that had more time on IR than playing time. The defensive secondary and LB corp that most people couldn't name a player on.

Yep that 2-14 team that was 10-6 a year ago.....
 
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Jake;2077969; said:
I'm fine with it. The notion that every time helmets touch each other is a penalty on the defense seems ridiculous to me.
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I agree. Not all helmet to helmet contact is a penalty. It was just funny the way he said it.

I disagree that Fleener was covered on the first down play. The series ended up with a pick.
 
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buckeyebri;2077982; said:
Have you met the Colts? The aging wonders that are Saturday, Wayne, Freeney, and Manning. The RB, WR, and OL groups that had more time on IR than playing time. The defensive secondary and LB corp that most people couldn't name a player on.

Yep that 2-14 team that was 10-6 a year ago.....
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I believe it's par for the course when a team has a HOF caliber QB at the helm for a while that the said team struggles. Let's look at the evidence:

John Elway retires. The Broncos made the playoffs for the first time since then this year....barely.

Kurt Warner left both the Rams and the Cards - neither have been the same.

San Fran lost Steve Young - They just made the playoffs with Garcia at the helm, but not since then until this past season.

When you build your offense around one player who has run that same offense since he's been in the league - and said player is out - you're gonna struggle.
 
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alexhortdog95;2077999; said:
I believe it's par for the course when a team has a HOF caliber QB at the helm for a while that the said team struggles. Let's look at the evidence:

John Elway retires. The Broncos made the playoffs for the first time since then this year....barely.

Kurt Warner left both the Rams and the Cards - neither have been the same.

San Fran lost Steve Young - They just made the playoffs with Garcia at the helm, but not since then until this past season.

When you build your offense around one player who has run that same offense since he's been in the league - and said player is out - you're gonna struggle.
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Not disagreeing and is basically what I was pointing out relative to the rebuild comment. This is why the thought of trading the pick and getting potentially 5 picks for the No. 1 has to be very enticing. It will be interesting to see if they will draft Luck and then ditch Peyton or hold on to Peyton.

Reality is they need to ditch the dead weight big salary guys like Freeney and Wayne. Yeah Freeney made the Pro Bowl, but why I will never know. He made $19 Mil this year and didn't even record 19 tackles. They have a lot of FAs and some guys like Saturday who may retire. There will be tremendous turnover on the team

Rebuilding in some fashion will occur whether it is with or without Peyton.
 
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buckeyebri;2078016; said:
Not disagreeing and is basically what I was pointing out relative to the rebuild comment. This is why the thought of trading the pick and getting potentially 5 picks for the No. 1 has to be very enticing. It will be interesting to see if they will draft Luck and then ditch Peyton or hold on to Peyton.

Reality is they need to ditch the dead weight big salary guys like Freeney and Wayne. Yeah Freeney made the Pro Bowl, but why I will never know. He made $19 Mil this year and didn't even record 19 tackles.
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If they want to get rid of the bucks - they need to unfortunately hope Manning doesn't come back - then they don't have to pay him that $28 million bucks they owe him.

You can't trade the guy if he can play - even hurt, the guy is too damn good to go to another team. You have to let him retire a Colt.
 
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alexhortdog95;2078021; said:
If they want to get rid of the bucks - they need to unfortunately hope Manning doesn't come back - then they don't have to pay him that $28 million bucks they owe him.

You can't trade the guy if he can play - even hurt, the guy is too damn good to go to another team. You have to let him retire a Colt.
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I agree. I don't think Peyton wants to go elsewhere even if Luck comes in. I don't think Irsay wants him to go anywhere either.

I'm guessing a restructuring of the contract could\will occur to make room for both.

They do have the advantage of the new rookie wage scale for Luck.
 
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Is this the Indianapolis Colts thread or the 2012 NFL draft thread? :p

I thought it was the Fiesta Bowl, which is now tied 14-14 after Blackmon's (who will also go in the first round) touchdown.
 
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buckeyebri;2078027; said:
I agree. I don't think Peyton wants to go elsewhere even if Luck comes in. I don't think Irsay wants him to go anywhere either.

I'm guessing a restructuring of the contract could\will occur to make room for both.

They do have the advantage of the new rookie wage scale for Luck.
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Even though Luck is probably more 'NFL ready', I still think that you can't pass on an RG3. Luck is a prototypical QB, but the Colts don't run a prototypical offense, either. Their offense is pretty complex, and nothing that Luck has done in the games I've watched of him the last two years tells me he could run it.
 
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