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Euro 2008

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tmporter;1181378; said:
If you have the understanding that the player left the field on his own without the whistle being blown to allow him to leave the field he is still considered to be a player on the field. This is to prevent defenders from just walking off because they want to to have an offside called against an attacking player. While I understand that he was off the field for some 30 seconds to a minute, the whistle never blew, so he was deemed to be a player behind the ball. Like it or not, I had read about this happening to a club team this past season. I will try to find the story about that incident and post a link as it had a very good breakdown of the rule.
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Could not have put it better.....
 
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tmporter;1181378; said:
If you have the understanding that the player left the field on his own without the whistle being blown to allow him to leave the field he is still considered to be a player on the field. This is to prevent defenders from just walking off because they want to to have an offside called against an attacking player.
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He didn't leave the field on his own, and he didn't just walk off. While he was going up for the ball with two other players, including a Dutch player, he was forced off the pitch.

This is all that I could find on it -
If a defending player steps behind his own goal line in order to place an opponent in an offside position, the referee shall allow play to continue and caution the defender for deliberately leaving the field of play without the referee?s permission when the ball is next out of play.
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He didn't leave the pitch deliberately and he didn't step behind his goal line in order to place an opponent in an offside position. He was forced off, he was obviously hurt, and he went down a good few seconds before the ball was even played in.

Before the Greece/Sweden game ESPN had a referee come in an explain the rule. He concluded that Panucci wasn't involved in the play, that he wouldn't have allowed the goal to stand, and said something about a similar rule regarding strikers being able to step behind the goal line without permission and be deemed not involved in the play. Andy Gray said that he's talked with some officials and other football people in Britain since the game, and according to him, not one of them said that they would've let the goal stand. So, it's down to interpretation. In my opinion, there's no way that Panucci could've been considered a "defending player" at that point, so the linesman and referee got it wrong.
 
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listening to one of the head UEFA people in an interview he made a good point that in the same circumstances players could intentionally walk off the pitch to trap people into offsides on the touch line. But watching the replay a few times i personally think Christian Panucci is a sissy for lying on the ground like a girl after minimal contact from his own goalie nontheless but either way u want to look at it, it was ruled a goal and you cannot change it now.

Portugal defeated the Czech Republic 3-1 in a pretty entertaining game to say the least....Deco started the scoring but 9 minutes later the Czechs scored on a nice header off a corner kick to tie the score. Cristiano Ronaldo put the Portuguese up 2-1 with a thunderous shot to the lower left corner of the goal off a beautiful pass from Deco. After the Czechs got some great opportunities the Portuguese quickly kicked a dead ball and got a two on one with the goalie which Cristiano simply tapped the ball to Ricardo Quaresma who put it home on a clear net.
 
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Buckeye513;1181536; said:
He didn't leave the field on his own, and he didn't just walk off. While he was going up for the ball with two other players, including a Dutch player, he was forced off the pitch.

This is all that I could find on it -

He didn't leave the pitch deliberately and he didn't step behind his goal line in order to place an opponent in an offside position. He was forced off, he was obviously hurt, and he went down a good few seconds before the ball was even played in.

Before the Greece/Sweden game ESPN had a referee come in an explain the rule. He concluded that Panucci wasn't involved in the play, that he wouldn't have allowed the goal to stand, and said something about a similar rule regarding strikers being able to step behind the goal line without permission and be deemed not involved in the play. Andy Gray said that he's talked with some officials and other football people in Britain since the game, and according to him, not one of them said that they would've let the goal stand. So, it's down to interpretation. In my opinion, there's no way that Panucci could've been considered a "defending player" at that point, so the linesman and referee got it wrong.
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It is down to interpretation. And this interpretation is also invalid...

The error was that the referee didn't stop play on the set piece, actually. And/Or the Italians should have appealed that there was a player requiring attention.

The goal itself was perfectly good...

The "involved in the play" interpretations ONLY refer to attacking players. And, indeed the need not even be off the field to be considered to be not involved in the play... if they are in an offside position and are not being defended, moving to restablish themselves as onside and have not played the ball they are not "offside."

Defenders on the other hand are always "involved in the play" since they actually define where the offside is.

Poor officiating, yes. But Panucci still counted as one of the last two defenders when the play happened.
 
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Messi18Man;1181883; said:
Portugal defeated the Czech Republic 3-1 in a pretty entertaining game to say the least....Deco started the scoring but 9 minutes later the Czechs scored on a nice header off a corner kick to tie the score. Cristiano Ronaldo put the Portuguese up 2-1 with a thunderous shot to the lower left corner of the goal off a beautiful pass from Deco. After the Czechs got some great opportunities the Portuguese quickly kicked a dead ball and got a two on one with the goalie which Cristiano simply tapped the ball to Ricardo Quaresma who put it home on a clear net.
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Portugal are looking good! 3-1 against a very good Czech team is impressive. IMO Ronaldo has all but sewn up the biggest individual award in world soccer "FIFA World Football Player of the Year" award. I don't think there is anyone in sight of catching him.
 
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jazzman;1181971; said:
Portugal are looking good! 3-1 against a very good Czech team is impressive. IMO Ronaldo has all but sewn up the biggest individual award in world soccer "FIFA World Football Player of the Year" award. I don't think there is anyone in sight of catching him.
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He is the best in the world and could remain so for another 4 to 5 years. Other players might get the awards but he is just lights out in all attacking areas of the game. He has also shown this year that he may one day actually defend for about 15 minutes per 90. I said it early on and Portugal have done nothing to make me doubt my prediction. They will win with great attacking football and a very solid defense. I really think Chelsea have a good pair in Carvalho and Bosingwa. Heck, Paulo Fereria isn't a slouch either.
 
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tmporter;1181981; said:
He is the best in the world and could remain so for another 4 to 5 years. Other players might get the awards but he is just lights out in all attacking areas of the game. He has also shown this year that he may one day actually defend for about 15 minutes per 90. I said it early on and Portugal have done nothing to make me doubt my prediction. They will win with great attacking football and a very solid defense. I really think Chelsea have a good pair in Carvalho and Bosingwa. Heck, Paulo Fereria isn't a slouch either.
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Good stuff! Portugal are one of the more attractive teams to watch in Europe. I really don't like some of the long ball stuff. I really hope that we see a classic attacking final for once....with teams like Portugal, Spain, Holland and Germany making the final four. They are teams willing to go out there and score goals knowing that they are competent in the back.
 
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jazzman;1182012; said:
Absolute heartbreak for co-hosts Switzerland, as they concede a goal in injury time of a deflection to be the first team eliminated from the competition.

Turkey won 2-1
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I don't think anyone thought they wouldn't be one of the first teams out. Austria should join them tomorrow and hopefully France also. Then I can sit back and watch with realitive ease as to who will win.
 
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didnt get to catch the 2nd half of the Turkey Switzerland game but the pitch literally turned into an ocean within about 12-15 minutes of straight pooring rain as you could see with the first goal scored as the low ball to the far post hit a lake in the middle of the 6yd box and just died. Going into half time the players could hardly pass the ball at all on the ground and could barely even dribble the ball up the field themselves as the ball would just die in a huge puddle and stop moving.
 
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Well it looks as if Germany will be upset by Croatia and they will be without Bastian Schweinsteiger for the remainder of the tourney when the substitute was sent off in added time. 2-1 is a solid performance and should make for an exciting game to watch on TIVO later.
 
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