EtTuBrute1
Rookie
If a mod feels like this should be in this seasons thread then it can be moved, however im asking it to stay its own thread just for the point of a seperate discussion as i will be talking about the past 8 years and not this past season alone.
With that being said, I think the program is in turmoil and its in danger of becoming a low tier B1G program again if coaching changes aren't made if we have another bad year in both recruiting and in terms of record and yes we have to make the big dance
from 08/09 to 12/13 Just in Big 10 play alone we lost just 26 total conference games, pretty good to average going 13-5 in Big 10 play, its something we had even grown to expect with the talent we were bringing in and Matta's at the time coaching ability
however the 3 seasons since then including this past year we have lost a total of 22 in conference play and with the way our recruiting has gone and the lack of players we will probably have next year we are on pace to lose 40 in conference games (would have to go just 9-9 the next 2 years) in a 5 year span after that very good 5 year run of losing just 26 in conference games
now lets talk about the tournament, Sure we are a football school to make the S16 is great as there aren't many schools who do very well in both year after year. In that first 5 year span, not only did we make the big dance but we saw the S16 4 times, Elite 8 twice and a final four apperance that was a lost to the eventual national champs i believe. highly impressive. and lets not forget we just played for the NC the year or 2 before that as well.
The next 3 years have resulted in ONE tournament win. Just ONE, including missing the big dance together and who knows, if D'Angelo Russell hadn't had one of the best freshman seasons in college basketball in the last decade or 2 we might have been looking at back to back years with sitting out the big dance, but even with D'Angelo Russell we still got knocked out in the first round by Dayton (who ended up making a good run)
So im not making this post on recruiting, players leaving and D'Angelo Russell and Scoonie Penns opinions, but in terms of actual results theres no denying we have dropped off a cliff for 3 years running and with what next years roster looks like its probably going to be 4 and back to back years without making the big dance
however, since i brought up recruiting ill end my post on this thought, even though recruiting is still a crapshoot especially in college basketball.
3 years ago we brought in just a 2 player class, ranked 36th but hey its only 2 guys so no big deal right? the next year we bring in a top 6 class, although that ranking is mostly because of D'Angelo Russell and having 4 players in it (a big class in basketball for that year) but what if we just had the 3 after Russell? the highest ranked recruit would have been 29th and the only top 50 ranked recruit. We probably shouldn't have been ranked in the top 20 (i mean we would complain if scUM had a top 20 class without a single top 25 player) the most recent signed class was another top 10 class, however we struggled for one kid to even be eligable, one kid left near the start of the season, and now it looks like the other 3 have a foot out the door or are already filling paper work on transfers, plus we got a transfer from Va Tech who technically counts as part of the class and he's testing the NBA waters
So we could end up losing our whole 2015 class after just 1 season of basketball, and not to the NBA but to other schools
If what we have seen over the last 3 years doesn't put a scare into you of what direction the basketball program is turning into then i have to question if you are even that much of a fan of the basketball team as its gotten very ugly in terms of results and both recruiting.
With that being said, I think the program is in turmoil and its in danger of becoming a low tier B1G program again if coaching changes aren't made if we have another bad year in both recruiting and in terms of record and yes we have to make the big dance
from 08/09 to 12/13 Just in Big 10 play alone we lost just 26 total conference games, pretty good to average going 13-5 in Big 10 play, its something we had even grown to expect with the talent we were bringing in and Matta's at the time coaching ability
however the 3 seasons since then including this past year we have lost a total of 22 in conference play and with the way our recruiting has gone and the lack of players we will probably have next year we are on pace to lose 40 in conference games (would have to go just 9-9 the next 2 years) in a 5 year span after that very good 5 year run of losing just 26 in conference games
now lets talk about the tournament, Sure we are a football school to make the S16 is great as there aren't many schools who do very well in both year after year. In that first 5 year span, not only did we make the big dance but we saw the S16 4 times, Elite 8 twice and a final four apperance that was a lost to the eventual national champs i believe. highly impressive. and lets not forget we just played for the NC the year or 2 before that as well.
The next 3 years have resulted in ONE tournament win. Just ONE, including missing the big dance together and who knows, if D'Angelo Russell hadn't had one of the best freshman seasons in college basketball in the last decade or 2 we might have been looking at back to back years with sitting out the big dance, but even with D'Angelo Russell we still got knocked out in the first round by Dayton (who ended up making a good run)
So im not making this post on recruiting, players leaving and D'Angelo Russell and Scoonie Penns opinions, but in terms of actual results theres no denying we have dropped off a cliff for 3 years running and with what next years roster looks like its probably going to be 4 and back to back years without making the big dance
however, since i brought up recruiting ill end my post on this thought, even though recruiting is still a crapshoot especially in college basketball.
3 years ago we brought in just a 2 player class, ranked 36th but hey its only 2 guys so no big deal right? the next year we bring in a top 6 class, although that ranking is mostly because of D'Angelo Russell and having 4 players in it (a big class in basketball for that year) but what if we just had the 3 after Russell? the highest ranked recruit would have been 29th and the only top 50 ranked recruit. We probably shouldn't have been ranked in the top 20 (i mean we would complain if scUM had a top 20 class without a single top 25 player) the most recent signed class was another top 10 class, however we struggled for one kid to even be eligable, one kid left near the start of the season, and now it looks like the other 3 have a foot out the door or are already filling paper work on transfers, plus we got a transfer from Va Tech who technically counts as part of the class and he's testing the NBA waters
So we could end up losing our whole 2015 class after just 1 season of basketball, and not to the NBA but to other schools
If what we have seen over the last 3 years doesn't put a scare into you of what direction the basketball program is turning into then i have to question if you are even that much of a fan of the basketball team as its gotten very ugly in terms of results and both recruiting.
