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(Duplicate) Defensive Coordinator Luke Fickell (official thread)

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A legitimate question is whether we are comfortable with promoting an internal "head coach in waiting," as opposed to someone who has had head coaching success at another school. The two most prominent and recent head coaches in waiting (Fisher and Muschamp) are not exactly setting the world on fire.
 
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Colvinnl;2065483; said:
A legitimate question is whether we are comfortable with promoting an internal "head coach in waiting," as opposed to someone who has had head coaching success at another school. The two most prominent and recent head coaches in waiting (Fisher and Muschamp) are not exactly setting the world on fire.
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I don't think you will see schools do that to much anymore as there are now restrictions on "head coaches in waiting" because of Fisher and Muschamp.

I would think if the brass at Ohio State wanted Luke to succeed Meyer that they would convey that message to him without giving him that HCIN title.
 
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Fremont Buckeye;2065489; said:
I don't think you will see schools do that to much anymore as there are now restrictions on "head coaches in waiting" because of Fisher and Muschamp.

I would think if the brass at Ohio State wanted Luke to succeed Meyer that they would convey that message to him without giving him that HCIN title.
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Whether he has the title or not is besides the point. The question is whether we are comfortable hiring someone who has not had success as a head coach at another school.
 
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Colvinnl;2065498; said:
Whether he has the title or not is besides the point.
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Agreed. That part of my comment was more of a general thought.


Colvinnl;2065498; said:
The question is whether we are comfortable hiring someone who has not had success as a head coach at another school.
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I personally have no problem with it if that person is driven, well-respected amongst his peers, and has the ability to grasp new/things concepts quickly that come along with being a HC.
 
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Fremont Buckeye;2065503; said:
Agreed. That part of my comment was more of a general thought.




I personally have no problem with it if that person is driven, well-respected amongst his peers, and has the ability to grasp new/things concepts quickly that come along with being a HC.
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I imagine Muschamp and Fisher (and Weis, and Dick LeBeau, and Wade Phillips, etc) basically fit that bill. Sometimes great coordinators are not great head coaches, and I'm not sure that Ohio State is the type of program that would take that risk.
 
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Colvinnl;2065483; said:
A legitimate question is whether we are comfortable with promoting an internal "head coach in waiting," as opposed to someone who has had head coaching success at another school.
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They gave Fickell the job once already, and now Fickell has a year's worth of head coaching experience, at the very school he'd take over as head coach no less...
 
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Colvinnl;2065483; said:
A legitimate question is whether we are comfortable with promoting an internal "head coach in waiting," as opposed to someone who has had head coaching success at another school. The two most prominent and recent head coaches in waiting (Fisher and Muschamp) are not exactly setting the world on fire.
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Chip Kelly has done okay...on the field, anyway.
 
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NFBuck;2065537; said:
Chip Kelly has done okay...on the field, anyway.
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Well it has certainly helped that the Pac 10 has been really bad during Kelly's tenure.

But the point I am trying to make is that going with an unproven commodity is riskier than going with a proven commodity. A coach in waiting might very well work, but there are a lot of examples of great coordinators who simply stumbled when promoted. Some programs are beyond taking that risk.

I imagine that at least part of the reason LF is interviewing is because he is wondering the same thing.

What if, for example, Beckman or Hazell light things up the next 5-10 years? Where might that leave LF?

All this being said, if I am LF I stick around and win a national title within the next 3 seasons and parlay that into a head coaching job at a program where success will come easier.
 
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I have to believe Fickell was asked to interview rather than him seeking out the job. If that's not correct, I'm concerned about the reaction from the recruits given that Fickell sold them on the OSU experience. How valuable is the OSU experience if the man talking it up walks away from it?
 
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Colvinnl;2065506; said:
Sometimes great coordinators are not great head coaches,
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True, but if the people selecting them as HCs new that those individuals were only great coordinators and would not be great HCs they would have never had been hired.


Colvinnl;2065506; said:
I'm not sure that Ohio State is the type of program that would take that risk.
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Perhaps, each circumstance has its own unique quirks so it is hard to say Ohio State would never take that risk.
 
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Colvinnl;2065520; said:
Did they have another choice? (Especially if they wanted to go after Urban...)
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They could've selected any other coach on staff, and even (heaven forbid) pull a Michigan and went out on a wild goose chase. You can be fairly sure that once Tressel's "resignation" was even a possibility, the powers-that-be were (at should've been) lining up their ducks...
 
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He's at Spence's game tonight...

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