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barlow1802
Troy Has Legs
Theres a reason it does. Do you think all the engineering that goes into the helmets they are supposed to slide and move. Chinstraps arnt tightened and helmets arnt filled with air. its muh more comfortable but also can result in a chin starp sliding up your face when you get popped. (see picture of mr. klatt)
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Zurp
I have misplaced my pants.
I haven't really made up my mind in this one. On the one hand, quarterbacks and kickers are normal football players, and should not get any special treatment. "I can't hit the quarterback??? But his touchdown run is worth the same number of points as the tailback's touchdown run!" On the other hand (and I think I'm leaning this way, a bit), they are NOT normal football players, and should be protected, somewhat.
- The skill and discipline that goes into being a quarterback is more rare than what you'd find in other positions. Teams are sometimes lucky to find ONE solid quarterback, and if he gets hurt, his team's chances of winning decrease substantially, I'd bet. (I don't have statistics to back up that argument.) Without the team's starting quarterback, the "AWW CRAP!" feeling is typically much stronger than if the team only lost their starting safety, a lineman, or a running back. I know - there are exceptions to this rule, but I think it's fairly dead-on most of the time.
- If QBs, Kickers, and Punters, are treated the same as the rest of the players on a team, it may be that they need to be built the same as the rest of the players on the team to sustain the hits. How many 240-pound quarterbacks are there? I know it isn't zero, but I'd hate to see what NCAA becomes if all the sub-240-pound QBs, Kickers, and Punters are "too small."
- Quarterbacks and kickers tend to be immobile for a couple of seconds. The kicker/punter kicks the ball, and in the process, he can't escape someone crashing into him. And the quarterback's throwing motion can often leave him on one foot, for the most part "stuck" in that position. A defender can get a really good hit on the immobile player. I know that we can argue that maybe the QB should have thrown it sooner, or should have been scrambling. And I think thats a really good point.
Like I said, I'm not exactly sure where I sit on this one. It'd be nice if they could protect every player from injuries, somehow. But too much protection takes away from the game. So.. blah.
- The skill and discipline that goes into being a quarterback is more rare than what you'd find in other positions. Teams are sometimes lucky to find ONE solid quarterback, and if he gets hurt, his team's chances of winning decrease substantially, I'd bet. (I don't have statistics to back up that argument.) Without the team's starting quarterback, the "AWW CRAP!" feeling is typically much stronger than if the team only lost their starting safety, a lineman, or a running back. I know - there are exceptions to this rule, but I think it's fairly dead-on most of the time.
- If QBs, Kickers, and Punters, are treated the same as the rest of the players on a team, it may be that they need to be built the same as the rest of the players on the team to sustain the hits. How many 240-pound quarterbacks are there? I know it isn't zero, but I'd hate to see what NCAA becomes if all the sub-240-pound QBs, Kickers, and Punters are "too small."
- Quarterbacks and kickers tend to be immobile for a couple of seconds. The kicker/punter kicks the ball, and in the process, he can't escape someone crashing into him. And the quarterback's throwing motion can often leave him on one foot, for the most part "stuck" in that position. A defender can get a really good hit on the immobile player. I know that we can argue that maybe the QB should have thrown it sooner, or should have been scrambling. And I think thats a really good point.
Like I said, I'm not exactly sure where I sit on this one. It'd be nice if they could protect every player from injuries, somehow. But too much protection takes away from the game. So.. blah.
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EngineerHorn
No todo alli
At first glance, this is indeed what it looks like. I can't blame anybody for getting this impression.
The player who delivered the hit, Andrew Kelson, is listed as a strong safety, but is playing linebacker this year because of depth issues. He'll return to SS next year. Anyway, he was playing linebacker at the time.
On that particular play, Kelson's assignment was the Colorado RB, who stayed in to block. Once Kelson realized his assignment was staying in to block, he started rushing the passer. You know the rest from that point. This might have looked like a delayed blitz. A blitz was not called on the play.
It was a bit vicious, I admit. But not intentionally so. He's a blue chipper who spends most of his time on the bench and wanted to make the most of his time on the field.
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Thanks for clarifying. I was having a very hard time reconciling that play with what I know of Mack Brown. This explanation makes sense, and I'm glad that you shared it. Sorry for jumping to an unflattering conclusion.
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Sport
They fear the NUT!
Why change anything?
The best part of football is watching players make plays! Why would anyone watch a game and not want to see a great defensive player make a great play? Sometimes things get out of hand but thats the nature of the sport. They have an injured list and always will no matter what the rules say or what rules are changed or enforced. I don't watch NFL anymore because it seems that every time a team gets some momentum the ref throws a flag for tackling (neck collar tackle or he grabed your little finger when he tackled the WR, whatever the ignorant calls are) oh well, thats what football is all about!!!! Doing what you can when you can using your natural ability. And if players can't handle it then find something else to do. I'm sure there's a job out there just searching for pussies to take a leadership role in a team driven environment that will hold your hand when decide life's just not fair.
Here's rules for those of you who might disagree with me, and correct me if I'm wrong! But you can't horse collar tackle but you can tackle a person by their hair if it is long enough to come to the shoulder's or within grasp.
These types of rules don't make any sense! Another problem is the powers that be don't concentrate on what should be done about these types of rules, they just throw a bunch of crap on paper stating that you can't do this and you can't do that! When all it really does is diminish the game from matching up talent against talent and let the better man win his battle!
Why give a QB or anyother player an advantage or disadvantage and damage the integrity of the game that we all enjoy and love for what it is not what it is becoming which is " BUNCH OF WHINING PUSSIES!!!"
If you can't handle football for what it is then do something else!
The best part of football is watching players make plays! Why would anyone watch a game and not want to see a great defensive player make a great play? Sometimes things get out of hand but thats the nature of the sport. They have an injured list and always will no matter what the rules say or what rules are changed or enforced. I don't watch NFL anymore because it seems that every time a team gets some momentum the ref throws a flag for tackling (neck collar tackle or he grabed your little finger when he tackled the WR, whatever the ignorant calls are) oh well, thats what football is all about!!!! Doing what you can when you can using your natural ability. And if players can't handle it then find something else to do. I'm sure there's a job out there just searching for pussies to take a leadership role in a team driven environment that will hold your hand when decide life's just not fair.
Here's rules for those of you who might disagree with me, and correct me if I'm wrong! But you can't horse collar tackle but you can tackle a person by their hair if it is long enough to come to the shoulder's or within grasp.
These types of rules don't make any sense! Another problem is the powers that be don't concentrate on what should be done about these types of rules, they just throw a bunch of crap on paper stating that you can't do this and you can't do that! When all it really does is diminish the game from matching up talent against talent and let the better man win his battle!
Why give a QB or anyother player an advantage or disadvantage and damage the integrity of the game that we all enjoy and love for what it is not what it is becoming which is " BUNCH OF WHINING PUSSIES!!!"
If you can't handle football for what it is then do something else!
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WyoBuck
Hall of Fame
I guess this is sort of what made me start this thread. And In my own mind the jury is still sort of out for me at this point, but should there be something offering more protection to college kids who haven't made the jump yet and may be not only ending any hope of a successful pro career, but potentially ending up with greater physical problems or limitations down the road than, say, a torn ACL or a broken bone.
On the other hand, it was a hell of a hit. and I don't think that QB's should be untouchable. And as should be evidenced by my avatar and my sig, I LIKE BIG HITS. It is one of the greatest things about football.
I guess maybe I feel like a pro athlete is earning his living this way so that's his business if he wants to pay his bills by potentially getting his head torn off
On the other hand, it was a hell of a hit. and I don't think that QB's should be untouchable. And as should be evidenced by my avatar and my sig, I LIKE BIG HITS. It is one of the greatest things about football.
I guess maybe I feel like a pro athlete is earning his living this way so that's his business if he wants to pay his bills by potentially getting his head torn off
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
I'm sorry, but to have a poster who has not himself played big-time major D1 football calling a big-time D1 football player a "pussy" - well, that is just too ridiculous. I doubt that there are many who play the game who could legitimately be termed "pussies." Unlike posters on Internet message boards, MOST of whom are pussies.
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but he is playing at steubenville so he is legal
martinss01
blissfully stupid
do i agree with mr. klatt?
that the ncaa is a bunch of idiots with nothing resembling a clue as to what they are doing? yes
that helmet to helmet contact should be against the rules in college football? no
that college players should get some form of disability package for playing sports fi they are hurt playing? yes
that the qb should receive special protection from helmet to helmet contact? ONLY when in the pocket and not scrambling. i do NOT think the qb should be granted any special treatment what-so-ever when they are scrambling in anyway including in the pocket. in my opinion hitting the qb helmet to helmet should be 100% legal anytime the qb is aggressively avoiding the rush. obviously simply stepping forward in the pocket is different than a troy smith adlib play in his pass to gonzo against scum. at that point your 100% fair game imo.
maxbuck, D1 schools don't hold the patent on hitting.
that the ncaa is a bunch of idiots with nothing resembling a clue as to what they are doing? yes
that helmet to helmet contact should be against the rules in college football? no
that college players should get some form of disability package for playing sports fi they are hurt playing? yes
that the qb should receive special protection from helmet to helmet contact? ONLY when in the pocket and not scrambling. i do NOT think the qb should be granted any special treatment what-so-ever when they are scrambling in anyway including in the pocket. in my opinion hitting the qb helmet to helmet should be 100% legal anytime the qb is aggressively avoiding the rush. obviously simply stepping forward in the pocket is different than a troy smith adlib play in his pass to gonzo against scum. at that point your 100% fair game imo.
maxbuck, D1 schools don't hold the patent on hitting.
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