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Do You Believe People are Basically Evil?

FKAGobucks877;1108487; said:
...Can anyone honestly (and from a realistic, practical standpoint) put a spin on how killing 6,000,000 people in an effort to exterminate a race is not evil?

You've probably read his book, but he thought he was making the world a better place and serving the larger good. Anti-Semites, to this day, would defend his actions and argue that we just don't get it and that our denial of the "facts at hand" only further ensures our demise. They would dismiss our cries of "evil in our midst" as the desperate plea of a lower race in the throes of extinction. They would claim that we have tainted blood and degenerative genes - curses resulting from our refusal to stop inbreeding like the bunch of apes that we are.

This is one of the things that was so reviling to me when people here in the US began to wage a campaign against the current administration's problematic policy of regime change. It showed to me that regardless of intellectual merit, everyone has the capacity for assault, arrogance, viciousness, and vindictiveness - or "evil".

I do not wish to take a position on that policy, the current administration, or the Iraq war here. But the so-called "Illuminati's" depraved and vitriolic response to a perhaps retrogressive (or even "evil") policy left much to be desired, imo. Instead of keeping the debate at an elevated level and rising above the childish name-calling ("No... f*ck you! You're the evil ones here!"), like a bunch of supremacists they started charging their iron-fisted opponents (rightly or wrongly) with claims of an inferior intellect, a childish level of understanding and diplomatic sophistication, and an ignorance of historical and cultural "truths".
 
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shetuck;1108521; said:
You've probably read his book, but he thought he was making the world a better place and serving the larger good.

I don't believe that for a minute. He was only interested in power and domination and probably had a personal axe to grind against the Jews, who were culturally and historically convenient for him to use as a scapegoat to achieve his political purposes.
 
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BayBuck;1108546; said:
I don't believe that for a minute. He was only interested in power and domination and probably had a personal axe to grind against the Jews, who were culturally and historically convenient for him to use as a scapegoat to achieve his political purposes.

Your choice... but if you resort to explaining the behavior of Adolf and his henchmen using Freudian psychoanalysis, I'd respond by saying that, by Sigmund's way of explaning things, we're all doomed because every single one of us has to, inherently, have a sadistic or "evil" side. I, for one, don't agree with that premise - original sin or not.
 
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shetuck;1108554; said:
Your choice... but if you resort to explaining the behavior of Adolf and his henchmen using Freudian psychoanalysis, I'd respond by saying that, by Sigmund's way of explaning things, we're all doomed because every single one of us has to, inherently, have a sadistic or "evil" side. I, for one, don't agree with that premise - original sin or not.

I'm not psychoanalyzing, just saying I don't buy Adolf's self-justifying argument against the Jews. He was a politician, not a philosopher, and they were a means to an end.
 
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BayBuck;1108571; said:
I'm not psychoanalyzing, just saying I don't buy Adolf's self-justifying argument against the Jews. He was a politician, not a philosopher, and they were a means to an end.

Regrettably, I can not respond to you on the grounds that Godwin's Law has been duly invoked.

Now, if you'd wish to carry this debate on about the acts of one vicious Mr. Hilter and his henchmen, I would gladly proceed... :biggrin:

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EDIT: Plus, trust me... You don't want to get on OCBW's bad side. OCBF carries quite a big stick and he happily swings it, at OCBW's bidding (wink wink nudge nudge). :moo:
 
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Taosman;1103981; said:
This is kind of a off shoot of "Moment of Truth" tv show that seems to take a cynical view that people have no moral values. That people are crap.
What do you think?
Are people generally "crap"? Without moral values?

I hate people.

Not individuals necessarily.

Not specific groups of people or any specific grouping that anyone could come up with.

I just hate people.

that should clear it up :biggrin:
 
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