Asks the one who wanted to keep religion out of the conversation.![]()
I know.

They sucked me right in.

Talk about a hypocrite.
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Asks the one who wanted to keep religion out of the conversation.![]()
I'll conceed the null business, though I still think on questions of philosophy it's arbitrary. Nessie is a physical consideration to test. And, frankly, it's no big deal to assume Nessie exists, and go sit there and wait and wait and wait.. at some threshhold you decide the thing must not exist since you've become satisfied by the lack of evidence. Not efficient, but who cares? Efficiency is not the end all be all of life.I want to honor Thump's request to keep religion out of this, so let me put it this way without getting in too deep. First, by definition God is not something that can be proved or disproved by humans, so the null burden is meaningless in such a question. Second, if we were to set aside my first objection, I would argue that the null burden is satisfied by the millions and millions who have a shared experience with the divine over the past 4000 years.
What if other intelligent life has a religion that says they are the only ones in the Universe and then they meet us that have the same belief?
And, frankly, it's no big deal to assume Nessie exists, and go sit there and wait and wait and wait.. at some threshhold you decide the thing must not exist since you've become satisfied by the lack of evidence.
I'll conceed the null business, though I still think on questions of philosophy it's arbitrary. Nessie is a physical consideration to test. And, frankly, it's no big deal to assume Nessie exists, and go sit there and wait and wait and wait.. at some threshhold you decide the thing must not exist since you've become satisfied by the lack of evidence. Not efficient, but who cares? Efficiency is not the end all be all of life.
On the religion issue, maybe we need to start a different thread, cause I'm interested in your "deep" answer, as this one - respectfully - glosses over the problem in a way far too convienent.
I'll start a twin thread in the poli. forum.
Would still like to keep this one here for the science aspect of the question.
That's pretty much why I don't believe in aliens. I'm done waiting.:tongue2:
If there is intellgent life out there, I wonder how advanced or archaic their technology would be?
People assume that they would be far advanced but who says they wouldn't be behind us in technological aspects.
A believer in God HAS to believe in intelligent life "out there" or they deny the existence of God outside of Earth.
Now I think your quotes will get some people riled up but you bring an opinion that I think needs explained. Why do you think it is such a given that there is intelligent life out there?