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well, here are the records of each Big Ten Team versus the SEC.
note: the record is compiled from 1920 to 2004...

Ohio State vs SEC:... 3-9-1
Michigan vs SEC:..... 11-4-1
Michigan St vs SEC:.. 5-6-1
Purdue vs SEC:......... 2-4
Penn State vs SEC:... 16-18
Indiana vs SEC:........ 19-19
Illinois vs SEC:.......... 1-4
Iowa vs SEC:............ 3-2
Northwestern vs SEC:. 2-7-1
Minnesota vs SEC:..... 6-3
Wisconsin vs SEC:..... 1-7-1

Total Big Ten vs SEC: 69-83-5
Big Ten winning percentage vs SEC: .455

looks like the SEC guy has a point...

and it's too bad Coop could never win the damn Citrus Bowl or Outback Bowl (or whatever else it was called)... :pissed:
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Many of the bowls had higher SEC conference-standing teams play lower Big Ten conference-standing teams (e.g., #3 SEC vs #4 Big Ten). If he really wanted to compare the two conferences, he'd have to use all the head-to-head results between the conferences all-time (all teams, regular season in addition to bowl games).
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There you have it folks. My thoughts exactly. Big Ten usually gets lower seed (in Big Ten) playing a higher seed in other conferences. I am not talking about #1 and #2...but lower ones.
 
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UGABuck said:
I am a Buckeye through and through.However, I have a BA from UGA and would wager that degree was worth much, much more than the paper on which it was printed.
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I would venture to say a diploma from UF, UGA and Vanderbilt are pretty well respected nationwide.

I still they need to bring their butts up north of the Mason Dixon to play a few after October. Then we'll see.
 
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scooter1369 said:
I would venture to say a diploma from UF, UGA and Vanderbilt are pretty well respected nationwide.

I still they need to bring their butts up north of the Mason Dixon to play a few after October. Then we'll see.
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Agree completely; the SEC would get trucked in Columbus, Madison, Happy Valley (in a good year) and AA. Having played soccer down there we HATED playing a game in cold weather north of Virginia.
 
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Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics

I think both are strong conferences and about equal top to bottom.

One issue I have with the NC stats is that he arbitrarily picks 1936, which leaves out numerous earlier NC's by Chicago, Minn, Ill and Mich (and 1 Alabama NC) which would tilt the odds in the B10's favor (or tie it with three more B10 NCs for 33,34,35 if you only count from the SEC's inception), and the AP which negates an OSU, MSU and Alabama NC from the UPI.

Also, Mich won the NC in the AP's second vote that year and it is not listed.

To me, the most telling stat is that the two conferences are nearly 50/50 head to to head.
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Basically, the SEC guy who wrote the article is saying: "I'm going to dismiss data that doesn't support my theory (Heisman) as irrelevant, and I'm also going to select only sources (AP poll) which in the end support my theory. then I'm going to pull out what appears to be an indisputable argument (head to head in bowl games) but which on closer review typically matches up the conferences' mid-to-weak teams in any given year.

It looks like its written by someone who writes informercials for a living, topped off with the ludicrous-sounding testimonials: "I can't believe we are so brainwashed up here" "I had no idea the SEC was so superior" etc.

I will concede that year-in and year-out, these are the 2 toughest conferences.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
well, here are the records of each Big Ten Team versus the SEC.
note: the record is compiled from 1920 to 2004...

Ohio State vs SEC:... 3-9-1
Michigan vs SEC:..... 11-4-1
Michigan St vs SEC:.. 5-6-1
Purdue vs SEC:......... 2-4
Penn State vs SEC:... 16-18
Indiana vs SEC:........ 19-19
Illinois vs SEC:.......... 1-4
Iowa vs SEC:............ 3-2
Northwestern vs SEC:. 2-7-1
Minnesota vs SEC:..... 6-3
Wisconsin vs SEC:..... 1-7-1
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I don't know about the other B10 teams, but I know that we almost never play an SEC team in a bowl unless we are having a "down" year.
I mean, look at IU - they are .500 against the SEC - what does that prove? Our bottom-feeder is as good as your bottom-feeder? Our worst team is as good as half of the teams in the SEC? you can make the data say whatever you want without any reference points.
 
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The argument I would use is put your best team in the the big 10 and play the season.. I guarntee they dont finish in the top 3 consitently. Its hypothetical but I think you can see my point. Put tOSU or UM in another confernce and all the sudden they are back to back to back national champions too :roll2:

I do believe the National Championship argument that we beat up on each other is true. Its harder to go undefeated in the Big10 playing in places like AA, Happy Valley, The Shoe, and Madison year in year out.

I think theres a reason that two of the most winningest college football teams havnt raked in more crystal footballs. Shit, if you look at the series between UM and tOSU the last 50 years we knock each other out almost evenly from a national championship birth. Let alone upsets or Iowa, Penn St, MSU, Wisc.. The bowl argument is hard to argue though.

Thats why i believe the only real way to measure is a hypothetical way.. if you want to use stats, you must measure the OC games, strength of schedule, etc. The hypothetical way being that if you put any team in the Big10 do you honestly think they'd finish inside the top 3 more than 5 times in 10 seasons?

(sorry about spelling)
 
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