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scully75 said:
BuckeyeInTheBoro said:
So because you've never heard of a source we should throw out all the valid points made? Let's just say she made the whole thing up. What does that change? The rules are still the rules and the holes in the security are still holes.

If anyone actually wants to hear both sides of the story here's an interesting compilation of articles... some in support of the original post... some calling it a hoax.

http://www.blogsofwar.com/archives/...nes-flight-327/

I actually think the story sounds fishy, but the points raised are no less valid.

So, just because something is written on the internet it's 100% true?
No doubt Norma McGill is greatful for all the gullible internet readers out there.

Tibor,

I would like to apologize and admit I was wrong... you are in fact a bigger moron than I gave you credit for. Re-read the highlighted words in the above exchange. If you were smart enough you would feel stupid, but I suspect you are stupid enough to feel smart. Good day... come again.
 
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I appreciate the advice. There was no "question" though... I am supplying proof. :biggrin:


Honestly, I'm paying Tibor the highest complement possible in his sick little mind by letting him know that ignoring my point and arguing something completely irrelevant has had it's intended effect and pissed me off! He'll be thrilled to see my post! In fact, if we hadn't already had this little discussion about it, he would have picked some random phrase I used and picked it apart without even addressing the post or it's obvious meaning just to see if he could get me more riled! He may still... stick around it should be fun for all!
 
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BuckeyeBeliever said:
which of your rights were abused sir?


If I am flying on a plane, and the actions of others make me fear for my life...

Musicians talking to each other ??? Using the BATHROOM !?!?
Pretty scary stuff, boys and girls.

The only acceptable instance of people going to the bathroom in groups is if they are women (generally teenage). This is known, please to not be a stupid fish.

CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE SECTIONS 422, et seq.

"422. Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out, which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made, is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison. For the purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the prior six months, regularly resided in the household. "Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to, telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of the United States Code.


422.6. (a) No person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall by force or threat of force, willfully injure, intimidate, interfere with, oppress, or threaten any other person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him or her by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States because of the other person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because he or she perceives that the other person has one or more of those characteristics. (b) No person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall knowingly deface, damage, or destroy the real or personal property of any other person for the purpose of intimidating or interfering with the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to the other person by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States, because of the other person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because he or she perceives that the other person has one or more of those characteristics. (c) Any person convicted of violating subdivision (a) or (b) shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by a fine not to exceed five thousand dollars ($5,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine, and the court shall order the defendant to perform a minimum of community service, not to exceed 400 hours, to be performed over a period not to exceed 350 days, during a time other than his or her hours of employment or school attendance. However, no person shall be convicted of violating subdivision (a) based upon speech alone, except upon a showing that the speech itself threatened violence against a specific person or group of persons and that the defendant had the apparent ability to carry out the threat.


422.7. Except in the case of a person punished under Section 422.6, any crime which is not made punishable by imprisonment in the state prison shall be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison or in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine, if the crime is committed against the person or property of another for the purpose of intimidating or interfering with that other person's free exercise or enjoyment of any right secured to him or her by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States and because of the other person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because the defendant perceives that the other person has one or more of those characteristics, under any of the following circumstances, which shall be charged in the accusatory pleading: (a) The crime against the person of another either includes the present ability to commit a violent injury or causes actual physical injury. (b) The crime against property causes damage in excess of five hundred dollars ($500). (c) The person charged with a crime under this section has been convicted previously of a violation of subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 422.6, or has been convicted previously of a conspiracy to commit a crime described in subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 422.6. 422.75. (a) Except in the case of a person punished under Section 422.7, a person who commits a felony or attempts to commit a felony because of the victim's race, color, religion, nationality, country of origin, ancestry, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because he or she perceives that the victim has one or more of those characteristics, shall receive an additional term of one, two, or three years in the state prison, at the court's discretion. (b) Except in the case of a person punished under Section 422.7 or subdivision (a) of this section, any person who commits a felony or attempts to commit a felony against the property of a public agency or private institution, including a school, educational facility, library or community center, meeting hall, place of worship, or offices of an advocacy group, or the grounds adjacent to, owned, or rented by the public agency or private institution, because the property of the public agency or private institution is identified or associated with a person or group of an identifiable race, color, religion, nationality, country of origin, ancestry, gender, disability, or sexual orientation, shall receive an additional term of one, two, or three years in the state prison, at the court's discretion. (c) Except in the case of a person punished under Section 422.7 or subdivision (a) or (b) of this section, any person who commits a felony, or attempts to commit a felony, because of the victim's race, color, religion, nationality, country of origin, ancestry, gender, disability, or sexual orientation, or because he or she perceives that the victim has one or more of those characteristics, and who voluntarily acted in concert with another person, either personally or by aiding and abetting another person, shall receive an additional two, three, or four years in the state prison, at the court's discretion. (d) For the purpose of imposing an additional term under subdivision (a) or (c), it shall be a factor in aggravation that the defendant personally used a firearm in the commission of the offense. Nothing in this subdivision shall preclude a court from also imposing a sentence enhancement pursuant to Section 12022.5, 12022.53, or 12022.55, or any other law. (e) A person who is punished pursuant to this section also shall receive an additional term of one year in the state prison for each prior felony conviction on charges brought and tried separately in which it was found by the trier of fact or admitted by the defendant that the crime was committed because of the victim's race, color, religion

The reason I kept bolding national origin is because we are being tageted because we are american, or others that support american interests.

I realize that this does not directly state an instance such as the story would indicate, although intimidation via threatening actions could be catagorized under the same light.

Carrying a baketball onto an airplane would not alarm you unless there was recently someone who released biochemical agents from a basketball on an airplane.

Those of you who were parent's, don't tell me you didn't look twice at kids who were going to your child's school wearing trench coats after Columbine.
 
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gregorylee said:
If I am flying on a plane, and the actions of others make me fear for my life...



The only acceptable instance of people going to the bathroom in groups is if they are women (generally teenage). This is known, please to not be a stupid fish.

CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE SECTIONS 422, et seq.

"422. Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out, which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made, is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by imprisonment in the state prison. For the purposes of this section, "immediate family" means any spouse, whether by marriage or not, parent, child, any person related by consanguinity or affinity within the second degree, or any other person who regularly resides in the household, or who, within the prior six months, regularly resided in the household. "Electronic communication device" includes, but is not limited to, telephones, cellular telephones, computers, video recorders, fax machines, or pagers. "Electronic communication" has the same meaning as the term defined in Subsection 12 of Section 2510 of Title 18 of the United States Code.


422.6. (a) No person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall by force or threat of force, willfully injure, intimidate, interfere with, oppress, or threaten any other person in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him or her by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States because of the other person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because he or she perceives that the other person has one or more of those characteristics. (b) No person, whether or not acting under color of law, shall knowingly deface, damage, or destroy the real or personal property of any other person for the purpose of intimidating or interfering with the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to the other person by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States, because of the other person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because he or she perceives that the other person has one or more of those characteristics. (c) Any person convicted of violating subdivision (a) or (b) shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, or by a fine not to exceed five thousand dollars ($5,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine, and the court shall order the defendant to perform a minimum of community service, not to exceed 400 hours, to be performed over a period not to exceed 350 days, during a time other than his or her hours of employment or school attendance. However, no person shall be convicted of violating subdivision (a) based upon speech alone, except upon a showing that the speech itself threatened violence against a specific person or group of persons and that the defendant had the apparent ability to carry out the threat.


422.7. Except in the case of a person punished under Section 422.6, any crime which is not made punishable by imprisonment in the state prison shall be punishable by imprisonment in the state prison or in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine, if the crime is committed against the person or property of another for the purpose of intimidating or interfering with that other person's free exercise or enjoyment of any right secured to him or her by the Constitution or laws of this state or by the Constitution or laws of the United States and because of the other person's race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because the defendant perceives that the other person has one or more of those characteristics, under any of the following circumstances, which shall be charged in the accusatory pleading: (a) The crime against the person of another either includes the present ability to commit a violent injury or causes actual physical injury. (b) The crime against property causes damage in excess of five hundred dollars ($500). (c) The person charged with a crime under this section has been convicted previously of a violation of subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 422.6, or has been convicted previously of a conspiracy to commit a crime described in subdivision (a) or (b) of Section 422.6. 422.75. (a) Except in the case of a person punished under Section 422.7, a person who commits a felony or attempts to commit a felony because of the victim's race, color, religion, nationality, country of origin, ancestry, disability, gender, or sexual orientation, or because he or she perceives that the victim has one or more of those characteristics, shall receive an additional term of one, two, or three years in the state prison, at the court's discretion. (b) Except in the case of a person punished under Section 422.7 or subdivision (a) of this section, any person who commits a felony or attempts to commit a felony against the property of a public agency or private institution, including a school, educational facility, library or community center, meeting hall, place of worship, or offices of an advocacy group, or the grounds adjacent to, owned, or rented by the public agency or private institution, because the property of the public agency or private institution is identified or associated with a person or group of an identifiable race, color, religion, nationality, country of origin, ancestry, gender, disability, or sexual orientation, shall receive an additional term of one, two, or three years in the state prison, at the court's discretion. (c) Except in the case of a person punished under Section 422.7 or subdivision (a) or (b) of this section, any person who commits a felony, or attempts to commit a felony, because of the victim's race, color, religion, nationality, country of origin, ancestry, gender, disability, or sexual orientation, or because he or she perceives that the victim has one or more of those characteristics, and who voluntarily acted in concert with another person, either personally or by aiding and abetting another person, shall receive an additional two, three, or four years in the state prison, at the court's discretion. (d) For the purpose of imposing an additional term under subdivision (a) or (c), it shall be a factor in aggravation that the defendant personally used a firearm in the commission of the offense. Nothing in this subdivision shall preclude a court from also imposing a sentence enhancement pursuant to Section 12022.5, 12022.53, or 12022.55, or any other law. (e) A person who is punished pursuant to this section also shall receive an additional term of one year in the state prison for each prior felony conviction on charges brought and tried separately in which it was found by the trier of fact or admitted by the defendant that the crime was committed because of the victim's race, color, religion

The reason I kept bolding nationality is because we are being tageted because we are american, or others that support american interests.

I realize that this does not directly state an instance such as the story would indicate, although intimidation via threatening actions could be catagorized under the same light.

Carrying a baketball onto an airplane would not alarm you unless there was recently someone who released biochemical agents from a basketball on an airplane.

Those of you who were parent's, don't tell me you didn't look twice at kids who were going to your child's school wearing trench coats after Columbine.
that's either a HUGE leap or we read different articles. I don't recall reading where any of the violations you listed actually occured.
Interesting though...
 
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ill tell you this much.....bitching of everyone aside.....

if i saw that happening on a plane.....my ass would be parked right infront of that bathroom door....and zero Ahmed's would get through...period...they could piss their pants and sue me....but i could care less
 
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How is it huge, the actions of others made people fear for their lives. There is a precedent of deadly force. I aint Carl Lewis here! The point is that people (thousands in case you forgot) have died. There are immense freaking holes in airline security (as well as national), so immense that the same thing is bound to happen again. We (the government and legalities) are squabbling over profiling? Maybe I seem to be over reacting or sound like a jerk, but I couldn't care less. This is something I feel very strongly about. I also get PO'd about the media requesting info about matters of national security (but I won't get started on that). :biggrin:

DiHard said:
ill tell you this much.....bitching of everyone aside.....

if i saw that happening on a plane.....my ass would be parked right infront of that bathroom door....and zero Ahmed's would get through...period...they could piss their pants and sue me....but i could care less

THAT'S THE FUCKING TRUTH!!!!!
 
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gregorylee said:
How is it huge, the actions of others made people fear for their lives. There is a precedent of deadly force. I aint Carl Lewis here! The point is that people (thousands in case you forgot) have died. There are immense freaking holes in airline security (as well as national), so immense that the same thing is bound to happen again. We (the government and legalities) are squabbling over profiling? Maybe I seem to be over reacting or sound like a jerk, but I couldn't care less. This is something I feel very strongly about. I also get PO'd about the media requesting info about matters of national security (but I won't get started on that). :biggrin:



THAT'S THE F******* TRUTH!!!!!
HUGE, IMO, because they didn't violate any laws...our fears, justified or not, cause some to act and believe we should respond as if they did...again, they didn't.
 
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BuckeyeBeliever said:
HUGE, IMO, because they didn't violate any laws...our fears, justified or not, cause some to act and believe we should respond as if they did...again, they didn't.

If you wait until they violate laws, more people can and will die. It's that simple. If you have probable cause, you have to act BEFORE any law is violated. There's no doubt in my mind that something big almost happened on that flight. As I said above, no one should have been able to get out of their seat on that flight. If they did, then they better damn well be prepared to face the consequences.
 
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BuckeyeBeliever said:
HUGE, IMO, because they didn't violate any laws...our fears, justified or not, cause some to act and believe we should respond as if they did...again, they didn't.


Were did I say "Pop a cap in that ass"????


I didn't, they should have been told to sit down and not to loiter around the restrooms. Until terrorism is suppressed globally (or at least nationally) there should be more constrictive rules for air travel, while in the airport, and on the plane. The simple fact that nobody searched BigMac boy (or even the lady's son with the backpack) is incomprehencable. That alone would have assured everyone on the plane that saw it. Also I do not care if you are bringing a BigMac on the plane, but if there is a single solitary way to make a weapon or explosive from it then there is no way it gets on the plane. I suppose that if JoeBob wanted to bring a suitecase full of fertilizer on the plane that you would think there was not a threat? (Notice I used "JoeBob, and not Achmad... I am an equal oppertunity asshole :biggrin:).
 
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gregorylee said:
The simple fact that nobody searched BigMac boy (or even the lady's son with the backpack) is incomprehencable.
I doubt that they weren't searched. I was just at the Detroit airport this past Saturday. While you can take McDonalds onto the airplane, you can't get it outside of the security area. Like other airports, there is a huge section inside of the security checkpoints. There was no need to RE-check the bags.
If you leave the terminal boarding area, you are re-checked. No reason to be re-checked at the gate.

No one said that you said to "pop a cap".
 
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ill i can say believer is that you are a friggin wuss.....

if my family is on that plane ill take gregory, matz and myself any day....

you can sit in the back of the plane a fret about my lack of morals all you want....but until you grow some balls....your useless.....
 
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BuckeyeBeliever said:
I doubt that they weren't searched. I was just at the Detroit airport this past Saturday. While you can take McDonalds onto the airplane, you can't get it outside of the security area. Like other airports, there is a huge section inside of the security checkpoints. There was no need to RE-check the bags.
If you leave the terminal boarding area, you are re-checked. No reason to be re-checked at the gate.

No one said that you said to "pop a cap".


Hell, I say "check them if they go to take a piss". I wouldn't put is past someone to leave something in the bathroom (other than what is supposed to be there!). What the hell ever happened to error on the side of caution???
 
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