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[Gatorubet]

The two are not mutually exclusive..

Then could you explain how that could be, because I do not see it.

Thanks for the HS civics lecture. It's cute and all but mostly irrelevant to the point. Whether you want to admit it or not the vast majority of the issues that exacerbated intolerance toward blacks were disproportionately engendered in the south long after the civil war.

"Exacerbated intolerance toward blacks"? They were freaking slaves Muck. And that view was indeed held in the place where that was the mindset for a long time. But all of those laws that said that blacks could not play baseball after the turn of the century (Cap Anson led the way, and he was an Iowa boy playing ball in Chicago), and could not work in the U.S. Civil Service and most state and city civil services were not because of laws passed by the C.S.A. or the states that comprised it. The kids in Boston that would go after any blacks with baseball bats if they strayed into their neighborhood were not because of CSA policy, slavery in cotton plantations, or any actions by any southerner (and I'm not denying a history, past and present, of virulent racism in the south by saying that)

Racism was institutionalized and made de jure in the south, but that does not mean that de facto racism was not embedded in the north from the very first days of the Union. Blaming the south for racism is making up a scapegoat. Denying that the south excelled and set the standard for racism is blindness.

 

[BigWoof31]

Denying that the south excelled and set the standard for racism is blindness.

As is ignoring the efforts made by the next generation of southerners to make the south a more comfortable, profitable, and welcoming place for African Americans to raise their families.**

Whenever I go to Cleveland or Chicago and meet friends or business associates of my college buddies who happen to be African American, they immediately pepper me with questions about Atlanta and its job market.

In many Southern cities - efforts made to increase diversity in the workplace and amongst the political spectrum make the south a damn comfortable place for African Americans to relocate. It's not 180 degrees different and I'm certainly not speaking for the rural areas, but things are different now and much more inclusive of African American families.


**Gator, please don't interpret me quoting you as a "calling you out" type statement. I know better. Your message just left me with a good opening to make this point. Also, S-E-C, S-E-C, S-E-C, S-E-C!

 

[Mike80]

actually having lived in both rural parts of the south and in the "north", the northern racists were much much more vicious about it....

 

[Muck]

Blaming the south for racism is making up a scapegoat.

No one is blaming the south for racism. I'm just stating that a thorough decimation of slave owner families was the proper course of action.

As is ignoring the efforts made by the next generation of southerners to make the south a more comfortable, profitable, and welcoming place for African Americans to raise their families.

You gotta give Ben Cameron props, he certainly was a hard worker.

 

[Buckeye86]

actually having lived in both rural parts of the south and in the "north", the northern racists were much much more vicious about it....

possibly because northern racists don't have decades of participating in the lynch mobs hanging over their heads

So that began the legacy of no SEC speed?

or the long history of southern speed migrating to Ohio State