DE Jamel Turner (Butler Community College; transfer to Akron)

[OregonBuckeye]

I just don't see that type of frame on him. OLB all the way IMHO.

Then you probably didn't see that type of frame on Gholston or Gibson either. He measured in at 6'2" 200 lbs at the scout.com Pittsburgh combine and he's not even a junior yet. Gholston was 6'3" 230 lbs as a high school senior and Thad was about 6'2" 215 lbs as a high school senior. Jonathan Newsome is only about 6'3" 215 lbs and he's a year older than Jamel! So, obviously I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

 

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Then you probably didn't see that type of frame on Gholston or Gibson either. He measured in at 6'2" 200 lbs at the scout.com Pittsburgh combine and he's not even a junior yet. Gholston was 6'3" 230 lbs as a high school senior and Thad was about 6'2" 215 lbs as a high school senior. Jonathan Newsome is only about 6'3" 215 lbs and he's a year older than Jamel! So, obviously I'm not seeing what you're seeing.

What does any of that have to do with frame? Just because the kid is big now doesn't mean he will have the frame to put on the necessary good weight to play the LEO. Two kids can be the same height/weight/age and be on opposite ends of the spectrum as far as "frame" is concerned.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

What does any of that have to do with frame? Just because the kid is big now doesn't mean he will have the frame to put on the necessary good weight to play the LEO.

I'm not saying he does or doesn't by the way, I haven't taken the time to look at enough film.

Can you tell what a 16 year old's frame is? I highly doubt he's even done growing taller.

But, for argument's sake lets say you can. I see a kid who looks like he'll gain another 30-40 lbs just from maturing in the S&C program even if he stays 6'2". With his ability to rush the QB, LEO seems like a natural position.

 

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Can you tell what a 16 year old's frame is? I highly doubt he's even done growing taller.

But, for argument's sake lets say you can. I see a kid who looks like he'll gain another 30-40 lbs just from maturing in the S&C program even if he stays 6'2". With his ability to rush the QB, LEO seems like a natural position.

No, but if you have followed recruiting for years you have somewhat of a basis to go on.

Not to mention the tone of your was, IMO, that Turner being able to put on the weight was easy to see or that the poster was "blind" or something. Even if that is not the case you gave examples of others as if that meant anything (which it didn't for the most part given the fact that size/age/height similarities mean little when talking about "frame").

Anyway, don't want to sidetrack this anymore. I'm sure everyone gets the idea.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

No, but if you have followed recruiting for years you have somewhat of a basis to go on.

Precisely what I was doing. I was looking at past players of ours that played the same position and comparing them to Jamel.

Not to mention the tone of your was, IMO, that Turner being able to put on the weight was easy to see or that the poster was "blind" or something.

He said "I just don't see that type of frame on him. OLB all the way IMHO." which I thought was a little naive given he's so young and considering how much kids grow between that age and into college. If he's already 6'2" 200 lbs and he is just entering his junior year, I wouldn't rule out any position.

Anyway, don't want to sidetrack this anymore.

The discussion is centered around Jamel so I think we're ok.

 

[OSUBuckeye4Life]

Precisely what I was doing. I was looking at past players of ours that played the same position and comparing them to Jamel.

He said "I just don't see that type of frame on him. OLB all the way IMHO." which I thought was a little naive given he's so young and considering how much kids grow between that age and into college. If he's already 6'2" 200 lbs and he is just entering his junior year, I wouldn't rule out any position.

The discussion is centered around Jamel so I think we're ok.

The bottom line was, and is, this. He doesn't see the frame on the kid to put on the necessary weight right now. How that is "naive" is beyond me. If he grows more then he is entitled to change his mind, but to act like he is "naive" for basing projections on what the kid looks like NOW is ridiculous. He could grow, he could not. Neither line of thinking is "naive." One could turn around and think you are naive for assuming he can grow into that position because others have. Anyway, this is getting old. I've made my point. I hope you feel you have made yours.

His ScoutingOhio.com film is on Youtube for those that haven't seen it.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMfDab2V30k"]YouTube - Jamel Turner 2010 - Ursuline Football - Soph Highlights[/ame]

 

[craigblitz]

Wow didn't mean to cause a rucuss. Anyway Turner is a fantastic athlete and will be a top 5 Ohio prospect next year. I still stand by my opinion. When you comare Thad, and Vern(as a SR, only video and pics I have) you can see the difference in body frames. Thad and Vern both had larger and wider Quads, Glutes, Calves, and Shoulders then Turner has.

Also, I am willing to say Turner is closer to 6'4 now and I would be suprised if he has gained weight since last years camp measurments. Regardless great looking prosepect.

 

[samiam]

WR or DE

2008 OHSAA Division III
Jesse Owens Memorial Stadium-Ohio State Univ.

Event 4 Boys 110 Meter Hurdles 39"
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State Meet: % 13.79 1993 Kevin Huntley(Fremont St. Joseph C.C.)
State Record: # 13.79 1993 Kevin Huntley(Fremont St. Joseph C.C.)
Name Year School Prelims Finals Wind Points
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Finals
1 Bryce Bergman 12 New Bremen 14.78 14.78 -1.9 10
2 Jamel Turner 10 Young. Ursuline 15.47 14.95 -1.9 8
3 Lucas Horstman 11 Rawson Cory-Rawson 15.08 15.00 -1.9 6
4 Heath Nickles 12 Columbus Grove 15.35 15.31 -1.9 5
5 Justin Hoffman 12 Chill. Southeastern 15.56 15.42 -1.9 4
6 Patrick Reichert 12 St. Henry 15.55 15.44 -1.9 3
7 Ethan Snyder 11 Lore City Bu 15.38 15.46 -1.9 2

 

[wadc45]

Meet Results

As pointed out, Jamel finished 2nd in the state in D3 in the 110 hurdles.

 

[Ohiobuck99]

WE NEED THIS GUY

 

[tlinc]

Craigblitz, I agree with your general point though it is still possible that he does grow in the coming years (he seems way more filled out than a guy like Thaddeus was at the same point though). I stated earlier in this thread that I was not convinced that he is a top 10 recruit in the country because he will likely either have to grow into DE or learn to play LB and it may take him a couple years in college before he makes an impact (like Thaddeus).

All that being said, I still see him as a top 50 national recruit and a top 3 player in Ohio. His track times are amazing and he seems to be a very good basketball player as well. He should definitely be at the top of the list of guys who get official offers on September 1st.

 

[keylime_5]

Definitely looks like he has the frame to carry some good weight to me. Thaddeus Gibson type frame. At worst can be a Curtis Terry type LB who can rush the passer off the edge if he can't max out any more than 230-240 lbs. instead of 250+. Lots of DEs are around his size at that age, not much of a concern to me. He could be 220 or more when/if he gets to OSU.

 

[tlinc]

A little bit more ammunition for those of us who don't think he is definitely going to end up growing into a DE (from the latest Rivals article):


"They are telling me linebacker or even secondary if I stay in the same frame, but mostly linebacker," Turner explained.

 

[HotMic]

I see that the Illini are already being lied to on this one by their fearless "insider".

 

[crazybuckfan40]

I see that the Illini are already being lied to on this one by their fearless "insider".

That dude is a tool...Is Fellows still going to be Orange?