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Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

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Jagdaddy said:
And any time you want to ratchet your fight and flight reflexes down and be part of the solution rather than part of the problem, that would be great.
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You should know by now he has nothing but totally-unrelated quotes from literature, such as his post directedly below yours...along with dated articles that may or may not deal with the discussion at hand.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
But it probably has a lot to do with the communication of official public policy in a consistent and comparatively unpoliticized manner that doesn't provide mixed messages about what the public policy is. Would the "culture" in the U.S. be so different than Europe with respect to the simple act of mask wearing in indoor public spaces or when in close quarters outdoors if we weren't getting mixed messages from the POTUS and his mini-mes like DeSantis and Abbott? If the POTUS had come in early wearing a mask and communicating the official public policy recommendations rather than contradicting them, questioning them, or offering wacky alternatives, I suspect that our "culture" would be looking a lot more like Europe in this regard and that our results would follow.
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a country that would require and crave that kind of leadership might behave differently with better guidance.

A country that chooses, defends and renews these kinds of leaders?

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Jagdaddy said:
But it probably has a lot to do with the communication of official public policy in a consistent and comparatively unpoliticized manner that doesn't provide mixed messages about what the public policy is. Would the "culture" in the U.S. be so different than Europe with respect to the simple act of mask wearing in indoor public spaces or when in close quarters outdoors if we weren't getting mixed messages from the POTUS and his mini-mes like DeSantis and Abbott? If the POTUS had come in early wearing a mask and communicating the official public policy recommendations rather than contradicting them, questioning them, or offering wacky alternatives, I suspect that our "culture" would be looking a lot more like Europe in this regard and that our results would follow.
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You're treading on the political here.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
While it's hardly perfect data, I took a look at the Worldometers COVID death count for yesterday (not a Tuesday spike day). The U.S. reported 1,465 deaths (we're #1). All of the 21 European countries that reported deaths (ranking from 18 to 90), combined reported 290 deaths (that includes Russia's 161 deaths even though much of their country is in Asia). While NOBODY here, except for you as a straw man, has claimed that other countries are not experiencing COVID-19, the set of countries that has over twice the population of the U.S. and has fewer than 20% of the deaths during their "surge" than we do (fewer than 10% is you exclude Putin's dysfunctional Russia) just might be responding better than we are.

EDIT: Since I was curious, since March 25, when the U.S. first exceeded 290 daily reported COVID deaths, we've only had fewer than 290 COVID deaths on 4 days, three Sundays (June 21 (271) and 28 (286), and July 5 (266), and Saturday, July 4 (269)), all days on which deaths were likely reported under reported to the typical weekend reporting lag that lowers weekend numbers and increases Monday and Tuesday numbers (the combined average for the Mondays and Tuesdays following those dates were well over 500).
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When you have almost 60M tests administered, you're going to get a lot of cases, and the amount of testing has drastically increased (it's a shame that worldometers doesn't have a graph showing the amount of tests administered daily). In fact, aside from China no other country is close to the mount of tests administered.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
When you have almost 60M tests administered, you're going to get a lot of cases, and the amount of testing has drastically increased (it's a shame that worldometers doesn't have a graph showing the amount of tests administered daily). In fact, aside from China no other country is close to the mount of tests administered.
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I wax only considering deaths, not cases. Is your point that other countries are under counting deaths due to not testing or is it something else?
 
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jwinslow said:
a country that would require and crave that kind of leadership might behave differently with better guidance.

A country that chooses, defends and renews these kinds of leaders?

:frown:
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There's certainly a chicken and egg question, or perhaps more of a vicious cycle of escalation. I feel like the most famous question asked of Joseph McCarthy in the 1950s is now being asked of all of us on a nearly continual basis with specific inflection points as litmus tests.
 
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