Coronavirus (COVID-19) is too exciting for adults to discuss (CLOSED)

[Hstead]

I was looking around, you know because I didn't see anyone other country experiencing Covid-19, and found this:

Europe battles to contain surge in Covid-19 cases
https://www.ft.com/content/bcddc297-b7f2-444d-908f-54e8ce6f4f98

It is weird because I thought other countries had it figured out. I was oblivious to the thought that maybe the virus travels around the world at varying rates and that eventually it will reach other countries in a similar vein depending on the season, weather, travel, etc.

Maybe we should adopt some of the stringent measures the real successful countries are trying like closing their bars at 1 am and making people stay 5 feet apart?

 

[Jagdaddy]

I was looking around, you know because I didn't see anyone other country experiencing Covid-19, and found this:

Europe battles to contain surge in Covid-19 cases
https://www.ft.com/content/bcddc297-b7f2-444d-908f-54e8ce6f4f98

It is weird because I thought other countries had it figured out. I was oblivious to the thought that maybe the virus travels around the world at varying rates and that eventually it will reach other countries in a similar vein depending on the season, weather, travel, etc.

Maybe we should adopt some of the stringent measures the real successful countries are trying like closing their bars at 1 am and making people stay 5 feet apart?

First sentence of the article:

"Public health officials are sounding the alarm over a resurgence of coronavirus cases in Europe as countries ease lockdowns and international travel ramps up with some experts warning citizens have become too complacent." Emphasis added.

So, Europe got hit the hardest early, dropped way down in cases and deaths as they implemented "stringent measures", and now is going back up (a bit as will be seen below) as the "stringent measures" are relaxed. Here in the U.S., we got hit hard a bit later, sporadically adopted, on average, less stringent measures for a shorter period and went down a lot less dramatically than Europe did, and are now on the rise again as we've "reopened".

While it's hardly perfect data, I took a look at the Worldometers COVID death count for yesterday (not a Tuesday spike day). The U.S. reported 1,465 deaths (we're #1). All of the 21 European countries that reported deaths (ranking from 18 to 90), combined reported 290 deaths (that includes Russia's 161 deaths even though much of their country is in Asia). While NOBODY here, except for you as a straw man, has claimed that other countries are not experiencing COVID-19, the set of countries that has over twice the population of the U.S. and has fewer than 20% of the deaths during their "surge" than we do (fewer than 10% is you exclude Putin's dysfunctional Russia) just might be responding better than we are.

EDIT: Since I was curious, since March 25, when the U.S. first exceeded 290 daily reported COVID deaths, we've only had fewer than 290 COVID deaths on 4 days, three Sundays (June 21 (271) and 28 (286), and July 5 (266), and Saturday, July 4 (269)), all days on which deaths were likely reported under reported to the typical weekend reporting lag that lowers weekend numbers and increases Monday and Tuesday numbers (the combined average for the Mondays and Tuesdays following those dates were well over 500).

 

[Hstead]

First sentence of the article:

"Public health officials are sounding the alarm over a resurgence of coronavirus cases in Europe as countries ease lockdowns and international travel ramps up with some experts warning citizens have become too complacent." Emphasis added.

.

The US is 8th per capita when comparing death rates and there are four EU countries with worse death rates per capita. Not to mention the already exhausted exercise of how countries include covid deaths.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

When you read articles, which I have read quite a few, the EU countries are not doing anything magical or different than the US. Everyone is trying the same social distancing, masks, etc. I have pointed out and made fun of EU countries that are using 5 feet social distancing and closing their bars at 1 am instead of "much later". Hell the US has closed bars completely.

Please point me to what the EU is doing that is any different or so special? I can link to a ton of articles and pictures in the EU of young people congregating at beaches and shoulder to shoulder at parties etc like we have seen in the US.

My point all along has been that the US is not experiencing anything different than other countries. The timing of the spikes are occurring at different times obviously, but other countries have their issues too. No one, and I mean no country "has it all figured out". There is very little that has been "figured out" and most likely any country that has not been hit yet, their time is coming.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

As for what other countries are doing differently, it seems unlikely that it has much to do with public policy. There are vast differences between the behavior patterns of different cultures. This virus, much like HIV, is contained more by behavior than by anything else.

In closed environments where there are people making sure not only that everyone is masked, but they are masked properly, the death rate is low enough to be lost in the noise of other causes of death. But no country is a closed environment, though there are some countries that come close (I would never want to live in such a place). Countries and cultures differ wildly in the amount of self discipline exercised by their members. Is it politically incorrect to notice that? Gee, look at all the fucks I give. It's a fact and it's by far the biggest difference in COVID spread differences between cultures, including the differences seen between different cultures in the US. Just like the willingness of people to wear condoms etc was a huge factor in the spread of AIDS in different places, so the willingness of people to mask up properly and socially distance is a huge factor with this epidemic.

 

[Thump]

As for what other countries are doing differently, it seems unlikely that it has much to do with public policy. There are vast differences between the behavior patterns of different cultures. This virus, much like HIV, is contained more by behavior than by anything else.

In closed environments where there are people making sure not only that everyone is masked, but they are masked properly, the death rate is low enough to be lost in the noise of other causes of death. But no country is a closed environment, though there are some countries that come close (I would never want to live in such a place). Countries and cultures differ wildly in the amount of self discipline exercised by their members. Is it politically incorrect to notice that? Gee, look at all the fucks I give. It's a fact and it's by far the biggest difference in COVID spread differences between cultures, including the differences seen between different cultures in the US. Just like the willingness of people to wear condoms etc was a huge factor in the spread of AIDS in different places, so the willingness of people to mask up properly and socially distance is a huge factor with this epidemic.

The self-importance of current Americans is preventing a quicker down slide. Hey look at me on social media without a mask not caring about others!

Wearing a mask for your fellow countrymen sure seems like a better alternative than being drafted for a War.

Do your duty for your fellow Americans.

 

[DaddyBigBucks]

The self-importance of current Americans is preventing a quicker down slide. Hey look at me on social media without a mask not caring about others!

Wearing a mask for your fellow countrymen sure seems like a better alternative than being drafted for a War.

Do your duty for your fellow Americans.

What a great many Americans forget is that our founders knew very well that our Constitution (read: our freedoms) are only suited to a moral people. One of them (I forget who), went so far to say that, "it (the Constitution) is wholly unfit for any other (kind of people)". Only a people that keenly feel and respect their responsibilities can live successfully in a free society. France may have been the first to show what kind of horrors can be brought about when freedom is given to people that aren't (weren't at first, in their case) suited to it. But France was far from the last to serve as an example, there have been many. Sure, part of this has to do with law and order, but a lot of it also has to do with public health and public welfare. The practical upshot of this is: Don't just wear your mask. Wear it right; keep it on even when it's uncomfortable. Keep your distance; even when it's inconvenient.

Take a look at the numbers... This country is turning a corner. The national SDMA has flattened, and all of the hotbed states have gone flat or are declining in terms of numbers infected. Deaths were lagging infections by 2 weeks a few months ago; now they seem to be lagging by 3 weeks (for several reasons). Point being, we may be 2 weeks from a flattening of the number of daily deaths. We're close... so close. If we are worthy of the legacy of those who built this country by being responsible and showing self-discipline, we can push the curves back down and enjoy the best part of being Americans: A College Football Season.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

I was looking around, you know because I didn't see anyone other country experiencing Covid-19, and found this:

Europe battles to contain surge in Covid-19 cases
https://www.ft.com/content/bcddc297-b7f2-444d-908f-54e8ce6f4f98

It is weird because I thought other countries had it figured out. I was oblivious to the thought that maybe the virus travels around the world at varying rates and that eventually it will reach other countries in a similar vein depending on the season, weather, travel, etc.

Maybe we should adopt some of the stringent measures the real successful countries are trying like closing their bars at 1 am and making people stay 5 feet apart?

I don't know how many times you need it explained to you that I didn't say the US is the only country dealing with it. When I say other countries have it figured out...that means at least 2 other countries aren't dealing with shit to the extent the US is. If you want to continue to be a dipshit about it, be my guest....but at least it's out there.

 

[Jagdaddy]

As for what other countries are doing differently, it seems unlikely that it has much to do with public policy. There are vast differences between the behavior patterns of different cultures. This virus, much like HIV, is contained more by behavior than by anything else.

In closed environments where there are people making sure not only that everyone is masked, but they are masked properly, the death rate is low enough to be lost in the noise of other causes of death. But no country is a closed environment, though there are some countries that come close (I would never want to live in such a place). Countries and cultures differ wildly in the amount of self discipline exercised by their members. Is it politically incorrect to notice that? Gee, look at all the fucks I give. It's a fact and it's by far the biggest difference in COVID spread differences between cultures, including the differences seen between different cultures in the US. Just like the willingness of people to wear condoms etc was a huge factor in the spread of AIDS in different places, so the willingness of people to mask up properly and socially distance is a huge factor with this epidemic.

But it probably has a lot to do with the communication of official public policy in a consistent and comparatively unpoliticized manner that doesn't provide mixed messages about what the public policy is. Would the "culture" in the U.S. be so different than Europe with respect to the simple act of mask wearing in indoor public spaces or when in close quarters outdoors if we weren't getting mixed messages from the POTUS and his mini-mes like DeSantis and Abbott? If the POTUS had come in early wearing a mask and communicating the official public policy recommendations rather than contradicting them, questioning them, or offering wacky alternatives, I suspect that our "culture" would be looking a lot more like Europe in this regard and that our results would follow.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

The self-importance of current Americans is preventing a quicker down slide. Hey look at me on social media without a mask not caring about others.

Hey, everybody really must admit now.....Covidiots are insanely negligent

 

[Jagdaddy]

What a great many Americans forget is that our founders knew very well that our Constitution (read: our freedoms) are only suited to a moral people. One of them (I forget who), went so far to say that, "it (the Constitution) is wholly unfit for any other (kind of people)". Only a people that keenly feel and respect their responsibilities can live successfully in a free society. France may have been the first to show what kind of horrors can be brought about when freedom is given to people that aren't (weren't at first, in their case) suited to it.

GPA.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

What a great many Americans forget is that our founders knew very well that our Constitution (read: our freedoms) are only suited to a moral people. One of them (I forget who), went so far to say that, "it (the Constitution) is wholly unfit for any other (kind of people)". Only a people that keenly feel and respect their responsibilities can live successfully in a free society. France may have been the first to show what kind of horrors can be brought about when freedom is given to people that aren't (weren't at first, in their case) suited to it. But France was far from the last to serve as an example, there have been many. Sure, part of this has to do with law and order, but a lot of it also has to do with public health and public welfare. The practical upshot of this is: Don't just wear your mask. Wear it right; keep it on even when it's uncomfortable. Keep your distance; even when it's inconvenient.

Take a look at the numbers... This country is turning a corner. The national SDMA has flattened, and all of the hotbed states have gone flat or are declining in terms of numbers infected. Deaths were lagging infections by 2 weeks a few months ago; now they seem to be lagging by 3 weeks (for several reasons). Point being, we may be 2 weeks from a flattening of the number of daily deaths. We're close... so close. If we are worthy of the legacy of those who built this country by being responsible and showing self-discipline, we can push the curves back down and enjoy the best part of being Americans: A College Football Season.

Preach.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

What a great many Americans forget is that our founders knew very well that our Constitution (read: our freedoms) are only suited to a moral people. One of them (I forget who), went so far to say that, "it (the Constitution) is wholly unfit for any other (kind of people)". Only a people that keenly feel and respect their responsibilities can live successfully in a free society.

There's the saying, "With great power comes great responsibility"...you can easily replace the word "power" with "freedom".

 

[Taosman]

The self-importance of current Americans is preventing a quicker down slide. Hey look at me on social media without a mask not caring about others!

Wearing a mask for your fellow countrymen sure seems like a better alternative than being drafted for a War.

Do your duty for your fellow Americans.

We are a selfish, divided people with the country on fire.

 

[Jagdaddy]

We are a selfish, divided people with the country on fire.

And any time you want to ratchet your fight and flight reflexes down and be part of the solution rather than part of the problem, that would be great.

 

[Taosman]

"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." Plato