"Committed" to semantics (split from Matt James thread)

[Chewbacca]

I'm committing to be committed

 

[jwinslow]

The term "commit" has been used--exactly as I explained it has--since way before you started following recruiting. While the word has other dictionary meanings, its usage in recruiting circles is simple and concrete.

Except for 'soft commits' or 'soft verbals'. Some don't consider them committed at all, others do, depending on their interpretation of the word & opinion on the situation.

That's because they enrolled prior to NLOID, photo boy.

Yes, it's my camera's fault that you're failing at being an elitist via absolutes.

That's because they enrolled prior to NLOID, photo boy. Had they not enrolled early, then they most certainly would've had to have signed the LOI.

No, you said it applied to 'nothing else' which instead provided another example of why your absolutes don't hold water.

Go shake your Polariod for a while...

When in doubt, flex your awesomeness some more. It's very persuasive, especially with spelling errors.

 

[Deety]

I've heard of commitment issues, but geez. :p

 

[jwinslow]

There is no binding agreement associated with committing. I could commit to walking-on to Ohio State's basketball team tomorrow if I wanted.

Exactly, like the shenanigans out west where the student pulled a stunt and committed to a Pac-10 school (Oregon? Cal?) without an offer.

He can do whatever he wants, it's meaningless, just like a 'commitment' in SEC land, which get reversed all of the time.

 

[BayBuck]

Re-read my post about how its used in recruiting circles. You won't hear recruiting experts or sites stating someone "committed" as a walk-on.

You don't hear a lot about walk-ons being recruited at all, and it doesn't affect scholarship recruiting at all since a walk-on's commitment does not tie up a scholarship spot. "Committing" as it is typically used refers to agreeing to play a sport for a particular school; while signing a LOI makes that agreement formal and binding (and includes a promise of a scholarship), it is not required in order to eventually play for that school, and so the commitment is about joining the team and not simply signing a contract. Since preferred walk-ons are assured of a roster spot on the team, it's perfectly reasonable to call their agreement to join the team a "commitment".

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

You don't hear a lot about walk-ons being recruited at all, and it doesn't affect scholarship recruiting at all since a walk-on's commitment does not tie up a scholarship spot. "Committing" as it is typically used refers to agreeing to play a sport for a particular school; while signing a LOI makes that agreement formal and binding (and includes a promise of a scholarship), it is not required in order to eventually play for that school, and so the commitment is about joining the team and not simply signing a contract. Since preferred walk-ons are assured of a roster spot on the team, it's perfectly reasonable to call their agreement to join the team a "commitment".

Tell you what, you and jwins go ahead and refer to walk-ons as "commitments" when talking to someone from a recruiting service and what kind of "What are you, a fucking retard?" look you get. Seriously.

Oh, as for your link, while it is true that signing the LOI doesn't force a kid to play that sport, it does lock him/her down to that school for that sport.

 

[jwinslow]

Tell you what, you and jwins go ahead and refer to walk-ons as "commitments" when talking to someone from a recruiting service and what kind of "What are you, a fucking retard?" look you get. Seriously.

Not as much as making sure everyone knows that a walk-on - who might never surface again on this board, especially with the intrigue that surrounds the James angle - isn't allowed to commit to anyone, as though that technicality mattered whatsoever (even if it weren't a matter of opinion and semantics).

Oh, as for your link, while it is true that signing the LOI doesn't force a kid to play that sport, it does lock him/her down to that school for that sport.

Which is still a separate act & contract from the commitment, which is non-binding and simply a bunch of empty words. There are no penalties for "committing" to Florida, then FSU, then Florida again in a month's span like Matt Elam did.

There's a big penalty for signing with or enrolling at Florida and than switching to FSU.

 

[Flocka]

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Not as much as making sure everyone knows that a walk-on - who might never surface again on this board, especially with the intrigue that surrounds the James angle - isn't allowed to commit to anyone, as though that technicality mattered whatsoever (even if it weren't a matter of opinion and semantics).

There's nothing said about being "allowed" to commit, only the fact that the term "commit" is used in recruiting circles to refer to a recruit who has promised to accept a scholarship offer. Focus on the subject on hand, Rainman...

Which is still a separate act & contract from the commitment, which is non-binding and simply a bunch of empty words. There are no penalties for "committing" to Florida, then FSU, then Florida again in a month's span like Matt Elam did.

Nowhere did I say that committing and signing the LOI are one and the same. Two words for you: "Reading comprehension".

 

[BB73]

I'm trying to focus on the positive, so I can report that Mili apparently thinks that JWins in an excellent driver.

 

[Flocka]

And apparently a fan of rain.

 

[jwinslow]

There's nothing said about being "allowed" to commit, only the fact that the term "commit" is used in recruiting circles to refer to a recruit who has promised to accept a scholarship offer.

Who cares? Why does it even need to be pointed out?

Focus on the subject on hand, Rainman...

Boy, I was really skeptical, but now that you've tagged me as autistic I bow to your wise counsel. Maybe you were just going for retarded, it can be challenging for me to digest that kind of depth.

Nowhere did I say that committing and signing the LOI are one and the same. Two words for you: "Reading comprehension".

You've made the two connected every since your first defense

You "commit" as a recruit because you commit, or pledge, to sign an LOI with them (which is then a written, vice verbal, commitment) in return for a scholarship.

When you get a scholarship, you're committed to that team to play...if you choose to transfer you have to wait a year before you're eligible to play (if you transfer within I-A, aka FBS).

 

[jwinslow]

However, in recruiting circles, "committing" refers to verbally accepting a scholarship offer prior to signing the LOI...nothing else.

Next...

Gerber commits to walk-on at Oklahoma
Scout.com: Point guard commits to Cards, will walk on

Recruiting simply doesn't deal with walk-ons very often.

Some are 'headed' to college as walkons. Others 'decide' or 'commit' or 'plan'. They are simply different word choices used to describe their intentions to walk-on at OSU.

It's semantics.

 

[OSUsushichic]

I'm with Coco.

 

[MaxBuck]

Mod fight! Mod fight!

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