College Playoff

[CookyPuss]

How does a play off resolve anything that your hypo addresses? What other team(s) come along with the one who allegedly "deserves" the 2nd chance? Does that team, or teams, "deserve it" too? Just because Texas lost to TTU, but beat OU? Do tell.

Seriously, I'm not trying to be a dick, I just would really like someone out there to give me some reason that Playoffs are better than the BCS. I concede playoffs are a legit way to crown a champion... but, so is the BCS.. the BCS makes the regular season extremely important.... playoffs? Well.. who cares if Texas loses to TTU... or if OU beats the shit out of TTU, even having lost to Texas... everyone gets a second chance, so who cares what happens during the season?

It troubles me that people want to piss away one of the greatest things college football has to offer - a regular season which means everything... week in... week out... Win and you're in... if you win, and you're not in... play some one tougher... (I'm talking to you Auburn, 2004)

Well if Auburn had played the same schedule with the same results in 2008, they would have been in. That's my problem with the BCS, it is imperfect in that the criteria vary from year to year in who actually gets in. Sometimes it is a 2 loss team from a "tough" conference and sometimes it is an undefeated team from a "weak" conference. At least a playoff resets things at some point and puts teams on more of a level system... win these 2-5 games (depending on size of field) and you are champ.. and you'll have to beat some damned good teams to do that. (As I've stated before my primary argument for a playoff is that I think it would produce some fabulous games and new rivalries).

 

[jwinslow]

If nothing else, a playoff would force the SEC to play a game of consequence outside of their region to earn a NC bid. Teams like Florida & Georgia would have to leave their comfort zones.

 

[Buckeneye]

Teams like Florida & LSU would have to leave their comfort zones.

fixed it...

 

[jwinslow]

LSU had at least gone out to ASU, UF hadn't been away from SEC land for a decade before glendale.

 

[MaxBuck]

Not to be a dick, but shouldn't it be obvious? Texas gets a shot at the title, which they did not under the current system.

They may, or they may not. Lots of arguments in the 2008 B12 about who the best team in that conference really was. And in any reasonable playoff system, only one of those 3 teams gets to go.

I still don't see that playoffs could conceivably remove controversy, which seems to be the raison d'etre of the playoff idea.

That said, I really don't care whether we stay with BCS or go to playoffs; it's really not that big a deal to me. Although, any way to get more college football on the tube is probably a win in my book!

 

[jwinslow]

They may, or they may not. Lots of arguments in the 2008 B12 about who the best team in that conference really was. And in any reasonable playoff system, only one of those 3 teams gets to go.

A 4 team playoff after the bowl games could send both Texas & OU, if OU had won (a very real possibility).

 

[blueinfla]

How does a play off resolve anything that your hypo addresses? What other team(s) come along with the one who allegedly "deserves" the 2nd chance? Does that team, or teams, "deserve it" too? Just because Texas lost to TTU, but beat OU? Do tell.

Seriously, I'm not trying to be a dick, I just would really like someone out there to give me some reason that Playoffs are better than the BCS. I concede playoffs are a legit way to crown a champion... but, so is the BCS.. the BCS makes the regular season extremely important.... playoffs? Well.. who cares if Texas loses to TTU... or if OU beats the [censored] out of TTU, even having lost to Texas... everyone gets a second chance, so who cares what happens during the season?

It troubles me that people want to [censored] away one of the greatest things college football has to offer - a regular season which means everything... week in... week out... Win and you're in... if you win, and you're not in... play some one tougher... (I'm talking to you Auburn, 2004)

You know what, sure, I'll concede that a playoff would "de-value" the regular season. But, I think this "de-valuing" is for the best. You guys on here are all about playing the best teams you can, right? Well, instead of looking forward to the annual osu vs. ysu barn burner, wouldn't you rather see osu play texas? or florida? or georgia? or any number of quality bcs schools? The regular season has become SOOO important in the bcs system, that ALL teams schedule 3 or 4 cupcake non-conference games. I think it's great that osu is playing usc again this year. You guys have been talking about that game for so long now; hyping that thing up like crazy. Well, imagine if you could talk about the florida, georgia, and texas games too.

Say you make it out of that deadly schedule by winning the big 10 with an overall record of 9-3 on the year. Now, based on the competition that you played, don't you think you are deserving of a shot to win the title? As a fan of college football, I can say without a doubt, "Yes, absolutely!"

 

[WyoBuck]

You know what, sure, I'll concede that a playoff would "de-value" the regular season. But, I think this "de-valuing" is for the best. You guys on here are all about playing the best teams you can, right? Well, instead of looking forward to the annual osu vs. ysu barn burner, wouldn't you rather see osu play texas? or florida? or georgia? or any number of quality bcs schools? The regular season has become SOOO important in the bcs system, that ALL teams schedule 3 or 4 cupcake non-conference games. I think it's great that osu is playing usc again this year. You guys have been talking about that game for so long now; hyping that thing up like crazy. Well, imagine if you could talk about the florida, georgia, and texas games too.

Say you make it out of that deadly schedule by winning the big 10 with an overall record of 9-3 on the year. Now, based on the competition that you played, don't you think you are deserving of a shot to win the title? As a fan of college football, I can say without a doubt, "Yes, absolutely!"

We already play a Texas, a Florida, LSU or a Georgia, or a USC or a Virginia Tech, or an Oklahoma, or a Miami.....every year........, one way or another.

 

[cincibuck]

[jwins quote]If nothing else, a playoff would force the SEC to play a game of consequence outside of their region to earn a NC bid. Teams like Florida & Georgia would have to leave their comfort zones.[/quote]
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fixed it...

Hardly.

You forget that Atlanta has a bowl game. And spare me the BS that a Florida/LSU/Ol Miss/Tennessee team would not have the fan base for a game in Atlanta. Anytime a team from the CSA is playing a team from north of the Mason - Dixon line, they'll get the fans of Atlanta.

The point is to get the big prize games out of their permanent base in the South and LA. Those games should be on a regional rotation: NYC, Miami, LA and Chicago. In fact, the BCS should be 4 games in those cities each year and the 8 slots should have no conference ties. You go where your ranking puts you.

 

[blueinfla]

We already play a Texas, a Florida, LSU or a Georgia, or a USC or a Virginia Tech, or an Oklahoma, or a Miami.....every year........, one way or another.

I didn't say A texas, or A georgia. I'm saying you play ALL of those teams, or teams of that caliber every year for your non-conference schedule. Those games are going to draw more attention and excitement than Youngstown St, Ohio, Akron, etc....

 

[WyoBuck]

I didn't say A texas, or A georgia. I'm saying you play ALL of those teams, or teams of that caliber every year for your non-conference schedule. Those games are going to draw more attention and excitement than Youngstown St, Ohio, Akron, etc....

Impossible to schedule. No one would do that, though you are right about drawing more attention.

 

[blueinfla]

Impossible to schedule. No one would do that, though you are right about drawing more attention.

Why would it be impossible to schedule? I assume it's the same process as scheduling some real crappy team. AD's talk to each other, contract is made and signed, bingo, all done.

I agree that no one would do that in a BCS system. It's just asking for absolutely no shot at winning the NC. Yeah, I'm taking the extreme argument here, but we are dealing with hypotheticals.

 

[BB73]

Why would it be impossible to schedule? I assume it's the same process as scheduling some real crappy team. AD's talk to each other, contract is made and signed, bingo, all done.

I agree that no one would do that in a BCS system. It's just asking for absolutely no shot at winning the NC. Yeah, I'm taking the extreme argument here, but we are dealing with hypotheticals.

Scheduling is not just about trying to be well-positioned for the BCS.

It's about money. Scheduling 4 big-time teams each year would mean playing 2 of those games on the road in almost all of those cases, giving up 1 or 2 home games each year.

The big-time programs play 3 or 4 non-conference games each year, and they want almost all of those games at home in order to make milllions of dollars on each home game. The programs that are willing to take the road share of less than 1 million per home game are usually the ones that can't sell between 80,000 and 110,000 tickets at their own stadium.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Well if Auburn had played the same schedule with the same results in 2008, they would have been in. That's my problem with the BCS, it is imperfect in that the criteria vary from year to year in who actually gets in. Sometimes it is a 2 loss team from a "tough" conference and sometimes it is an undefeated team from a "weak" conference. At least a playoff resets things at some point and puts teams on more of a level system... win these 2-5 games (depending on size of field) and you are champ.. and you'll have to beat some damned good teams to do that. (As I've stated before my primary argument for a playoff is that I think it would produce some fabulous games and new rivalries).

It depends on the system you have in mind, and this is the part that pisses me off about playoff proponents... Instead of doing the work, they simply say Team A deserved a shot and don't consider the consequences of any proposed system. So, I ask - what system? How many teams? What selection criteria? Do you take only some conference champs, or all? In other words, present a solution to the problem of how the playoffs would even be set up...

Again, I ran 3 separate scenarios: BCS Top 8 format, Conference Champs format and a 6+2 system.... Not one of them was without serious problems... The Conf. Champ system produced dreadful games... The 6+2 system did nothing to help the midmajor schools.. in fact, such a system actually hurt them... the BCS top 8 format produced better "on paper" match ups, but was usually not materially different from the current BCS, and is likewise based on the same alleged fault with the current BCS in terms of selection (while also keeping the power with the big schools).

So... what is your proposal? I don't mean to put you specifically on the spot... but, no one on the "playoffs" side has bothered to demonstrate a workable solution... instead they simply keep repeating the "It's time for a playoff" mantra without any criteria

You know what, sure, I'll concede that a playoff would "de-value" the regular season. But, I think this "de-valuing" is for the best. You guys on here are all about playing the best teams you can, right? Well, instead of looking forward to the annual osu vs. ysu barn burner, wouldn't you rather see osu play texas? or florida? or georgia? or any number of quality bcs schools? The regular season has become SOOO important in the bcs system, that ALL teams schedule 3 or 4 cupcake non-conference games. I think it's great that osu is playing usc again this year. You guys have been talking about that game for so long now; hyping that thing up like crazy. Well, imagine if you could talk about the florida, georgia, and texas games too.

Say you make it out of that deadly schedule by winning the big 10 with an overall record of 9-3 on the year. Now, based on the competition that you played, don't you think you are deserving of a shot to win the title? As a fan of college football, I can say without a doubt, "Yes, absolutely!"

I can understand your point about how if you could still make the playoffs even if you dropped an OOC game or two. That said, there is no benefit in scheduling cupcakes in the current system. If you don't believe me, ask Auburn 2004. True enough, there is a fine line to be walked between "hard enough" and not "too hard" though.

 

[jwinslow]

I didn't say A texas, or A georgia. I'm saying you play ALL of those teams, or teams of that caliber every year for your non-conference schedule. Those games are going to draw more attention and excitement than Youngstown St, Ohio, Akron, etc....

You're right, scheduling Texas, USC, Miami, California, Virginia Tech, Oklahoma & Tennessee isn't done by anyone.