College Playoff

[buckeyesin07]

there is no more of an overused word right now than the word strawman.

If they weren't used so often, then they wouldn't be labeled as such so often. If you want to complain, then do so to the people who insist on using them.

Anyway so you are saying that if a team goes undefeated and somehow gets left out of the NCG they have a reason to complain. But if a team loses a game and gets passed over for the game by other teams with the same record or even worse records they have no room to complain?

Pretty much. If you want to play in the NC game, then win. Puts an incredible amount of importance on the regular season, huh? Imagine that!

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

If they're playing a pathetic schedule, then they might want to think about
beating those horrible opponents in impressive fashion in order to impress the pollsters. As I said before (and you conveniently ignored), beating La Tech by 1 point isn't going to make anyone believe that they're a legitimate top 10 team despite their pathetic schedule.
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See my previous point. You can beat your opponents in impressive fashion, though.

So, if you don't blow out all the weaker teams, you have no business being in the title game? Maybe we should give back our 2002 title rings because we only beat a 7-7 Cincinnati team 23-19 and a 3-9 Northwestern team 27-16.

 

[Lockup]

Pretty much. If you want to play in the NC game, then win. Puts an incredible amount of importance on the regular season, huh? Imagine that!

Now I know why you are such a fan of the BCS. You are both based off the same flawed logic.

A couple of problems with this.

1. It is not the case (see Auburn). They did exactly what you said for them to do but they got left out.

2. It is not the case (see Hawaii). They did what you said to do but were left out because of a percieved weak schedule. This perception has no basis in determining just how good they might be.

3. This only works if the two teams at the top are the only undefeated teams.

4. It is completely flawed to state that a team has no grounds to complain if they are not undefeated if another team is not undefeated. Auburn getting left out is not that much different than OK being left out this year.

I find it really hard to believe that if for some reason USC was picked ahead of OSU this year to play in the NCG against LSU that you truely believ OSU would have not right to complain. Or any other team would have no right if they were in the same situation.

 

[HailToMichigan]

So who do you take? Hawaii is now 13-0 and won the game they were asked to win. Are they still out? OSU is now 12-1, LSU is now 12-2, and so on.

Under that scenario, Ohio State and Hawaii. OSU, only one loss all season and a convincing bowl win. Hawaii, undefeated, and by beating WVU, proving wrong the knock that they're untested against quality competition.

 

[osugrad21]

Dispatch

College football
Bob Hunter commentary: System with no playoffs benefits OSU

Friday, January 4, 2008 3:08 AM
By Bob Hunter


THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

ASSOCIATED PRESS
An unidentified Ohio State player is silhouetted against a bright backdrop as he negotiates a group of practice dummies during team practice in Metairie, La.

NEW ORLEANS -- There's a crazy scenario in my head that won't go away: Jim Tressel is conducting one of those riveting national championship news conferences, saying something about how much his Buckeyes respect LSU -- say, didn't he also say that about Kent State? -- when a voice from the back of the room inquires about the possibility of college football going to a playoff system to determine a true national champion. The always-composed Ohio State coach suddenly cocks his head like a startled rooster, throws the questioner the kind of incredulous look never before seen in a Tressel news conference, and morphs into former Indianapolis Colts coach Jim Mora of beer commercial and YouTube fame.
"Playoffs?" this Tressel-Mora creature says. "Are you kidding me? Playoffs?"


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[Lockup]

I hate the tone of the article. It makes it sound like OSU is afraid to have to play more than one game to win a NC. I understand that is an advantage for OSU or anybody right now but I am am not afraid to put the bucks up against good teams for a couple of games to see who can win it all.

 

[Taosman]

How many times did USC make the BCS championship game by playing
"one tough team"?
Doesn't matter how you get there....just get there!

 

[kn1f3party]

My problem with that article, and that school of thought in general, is it is rather short-sighted. It seems that most agreed its a flawed system, but support it because it has been incredibly beneficial to Ohio State lately. The problem with this is Ohio State fans get to enjoy short-lived excitement about National Championships while the illegitimacy will continue to be an issue. Twenty years from now, wouldn't you want these championships to have credibility? Once you win a championship, you shouldn't have to justify its legitimacy.

 

[Oh8ch]

Doesn't matter how you get there....just get there!

Is that a quote from RRs new book?

(I think the working title is "A Mountaineer Climbs the Mountain - so he can look down on his team".)

 

[buckeyesin07]

Now I know why you are such a fan of the BCS. You are both based off the same flawed logic.

A couple of problems with this.

1. It is not the case (see Auburn). They did exactly what you said for them to do but they got left out.

And they had a right to complain, in my opinion.

2. It is not the case (see Hawaii). They did what you said to do but were left out because of a percieved weak schedule. This perception has no basis in determining just how good they might be.

They didn't do what I said they needed to do. They need to join a BCS conference and go undefeated. Try reading my entire post next time.

3. This only works if the two teams at the top are the only undefeated teams.

Not true. I think the system works to pick the top one-loss team(s). The others have no right to complain, as I've said many times before.

4. It is completely flawed to state that a team has no grounds to complain if they are not undefeated if another team is not undefeated. Auburn getting left out is not that much different than OK being left out this year.

I disagree. Auburn did everything you could have asked of them in 2003 by running the table. Oklahoma, which lost on the road to a 6-7 Colorado team and a decent Texas Tech team, did not. If you need further proof that Oklahoma didn't belong, see the 2008 Fiesta Bowl.

I find it really hard to believe that if for some reason USC was picked ahead of OSU this year to play in the NCG against LSU that you truely believ OSU would have not right to complain. Or any other team would have no right if they were in the same situation.

You can find it hard to believe if you want. I really don't care.

 

[buckeyesin07]

Don't have time to address all the teams you originally mentioned, but here are a few points to consider:

Oklahoma: So what? LSU lost to a 5-loss Kentucky team and a 4-loss Arkansas team, and still is favored in the title game.
Georgia: YSU won the national title one year despite finishing third in their conference...you don't see Tressel giving his ring back.
Hawaii: What happens when Hawaii hands Georgia their ass?
WVU: As Ohio State fans, we know what can happen in rivalry games (check '91 and '93 if you've forgotten)
ASU: Many people say the same about our schedule...sometimes the records of those on your schedule are out of your control.

You were right on the money with that one.

 

[Zurp]

You were right on the money with that one.

You probably should come up with a good argument for your side, rather than simply pointing out the mistakes in someone else's prediction for 1 football game.

But I'm on your side. Most people don't have any faith in the BCS system to pick the 2 best teams. Personally, I don't have any more faith in a playoff set-up than I do the BCS. In fact, I have less faith. Don't get me wrong - I would love to see most or all of the match-ups the playoffs would provide. I just don't believe that the better team wins every game in the playoffs, and you get teams that might not have even had a rightful claim at a national championship, and yet they "get hot" during the playoffs and win it all.

 

[Lockup]

My problem with that article, and that school of thought in general, is it is rather short-sighted. It seems that most agreed its a flawed system, but support it because it has been incredibly beneficial to Ohio State lately. The problem with this is Ohio State fans get to enjoy short-lived excitement about National Championships while the illegitimacy will continue to be an issue. Twenty years from now, wouldn't you want these championships to have credibility? Once you win a championship, you shouldn't have to justify its legitimacy.

you know this is really a problem I have it with it too. sure it works out for OSU now but will they have the same opinion if they are ranked #3 or #4 year after year.

 

[buckeyesin07]

You probably should come up with a good argument for your side, rather than simply pointing out the mistakes in someone else's prediction for 1 football game.

I'm not wasting my time. I already presented my argument, and he responded by calling me a dipshit and claiming that Hawaii would crush Georgia.

 

[Lockup]

And they had a right to complain, in my opinion.

Cool this one we can agree one.

They didn't do what I said they needed to do. They need to join a BCS conference and go undefeated. Try reading my entire post next time.

I did read your post and have gone back through them and have not found where you ever said Hawaii needed to join a BSC conference. what you said was Hawaii had a weak schedule (which the media says the same about OSU) and should shcedule tougher games.

Not true. I think the system works to pick the top one-loss team(s). The others have no right to complain, as I've said many times before.

So you think a system that is based off of polls by the media who half the time don't know their ass from a hole in the ground, coaches who admit they can't even watch games and half the time let assistants vote for them and computers who don't have the abilty to even watch a game is a system that works to pick the two best teams.

The system may be able to pick the two most deserving teams but is not really setup to pick the two best. I have even heard so called BCS experts admit the system is not setup to handle what happen this year.

I disagree. Auburn did everything you could have asked of them in 2003 by running the table. Oklahoma, which lost on the road to a 6-7 Colorado team and a decent Texas Tech team, did not. If you need further proof that Oklahoma didn't belong, see the 2008 Fiesta Bowl.

great let's play this game it is always fun.

Prior to the bowls Colorado was 6-6. OK lost to them. Kentucky was 7-5. LSU lost to them. That is only a 1 game difference and Kentucky barely beat a Florida St team that was missing 35 players.

Here is a better one for you.
LSU lost to r-kansas.
Mizzu hammered r-kansas.
OK beat Mizzu twice.
Therefore OK is better than LSU.

Here is another one.

You say because Oklahoma got blasted by WVU this year only proves they did not belong in the NCG. I guess OSU didn't belong last year by your thinking too right?

See how fun this game is.