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College Football Playoffs Discussion (12/16/24 Team Format)

Here is a thought:

This year with the smaller field- our season is cooked and the best player in the sport could reasonably tap out with 3 games to go.

Next year we'd still be in the playoff picture and that scenario becomes highly unlikely

It's not all bad, it not all good, it will just be different
Meh, it’s nothing but a money grab. Same thing with the Bball move to 96 teams.

Old man shouts at clouds….carry on
 
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The overwhelming majority of the changes in the sport are things that I can adjust to easily enough.

It is the complete absence of accountability and enforcement of the rules that drove me away 14 and 1/2 months ago... That's what I can't abide.

To that end, if we could put the NCAA in that grave, I wouldn't mind a bit. People can call that "the death of college football" all day long; as long as whatever replaces the NCAA actually enforces the rules, I'll be fine with it.
 
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The overwhelming majority of the changes in the sport are things that I can adjust to easily enough.

It is the complete absence of accountability and enforcement of the rules that drove me away 14 and 1/2 months ago... That's what I can't abide.

To that end, if we could put the NCAA in that grave, I wouldn't mind a bit. People can call that "the death of college football" all day long; as long as whatever replaces the NCAA actually enforces the rules, I'll be fine with it.

my .02 is that as it drifts toward NFL/pro league the money itself is what becomes the accountability keeper.

Its getting past the good ol' boy southern guy buying a used car for a recruits mom kind of cheating. Suits are involved, big money is involved. They will police themselves a la NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL owners because they understand that there is too much money at risk to have it be complete wild west much longer.

Yeah there will be rouge owners here and there doing dumb shit but look what the NBA just did to one of theirs. Look at the control the NFL has. Look at how MLB handled an on field cheating ring. It won't be perfect, fans will always want more but it is pretty far from wild west/NCAA's corpse level we have now.

A point for the case I am making- this pre season NFL/LSU stuff. I said then, this is the SEC showing they can control their members more than it is any kind of actual giving a fuck about the NFL players. Step one to a better mafia commission is showing everyone you can control your own city.

I have no doubt in my military mind, because people get predictable when money comes into play-not because I am Kreskin, that the SEC and B1G (Disney and Fox if we are being honest) are lining this up to be their own version of a major pro sports league. That is where the enforcement and accountability will come from. It may still be the NCAA since they are there already but it will be driven by what the suits want and will be enforced behind the scenes by the suits.
 
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my .02 is that as it drifts toward NFL/pro league the money itself is what becomes the accountability keeper.

Its getting past the good ol' boy southern guy buying a used car for a recruits mom kind of cheating. Suits are involved, big money is involved. They will police themselves a la NBA/NFL/MLB/NHL owners because they understand that there is too much money at risk to have it be complete wild west much longer.

Yeah there will be rouge owners here and there doing dumb shit but look what the NBA just did to one of theirs. Look at the control the NFL has. Look at how MLB handled an on field cheating ring. It won't be perfect, fans will always want more but it is pretty far from wild west/NCAA's corpse level we have now.

A point for the case I am making- this pre season NFL/LSU stuff. I said then, this is the SEC showing they can control their members more than it is any kind of actual giving a fuck about the NFL players. Step one to a better mafia commission is showing everyone you can control your own city.

I have no doubt in my military mind, because people get predictable when money comes into play-not because I am Kreskin, that the SEC and B1G (Disney and Fox if we are being honest) are lining this up to be their own version of a major pro sports league. That is where the enforcement and accountability will come from. It may still be the NCAA since they are there already but it will be driven by what the suits want and will be enforced behind the scenes by the suits.
This makes perfect sense to me. I have not and do not follow any of the pro sports you mentioned and am only vaguely aware of some of your examples (and not at all aware of others) because of that. But the general principle that you cite is a principle of human interaction, not sports. Looked at from that light, it is the arcane bullshit around college football that needs to die, and that process has already begun.

The first thing we needed to get rid of was this bizarre worship of amateurism. That is a vestige of the pretentious northeastern would-be aristocrats who borrowed such values from the upper classes of the UK and Europe. It came from a belief that the idle gentlemen is superior to the working class and should not be sullied by association with them. It came from the worst kind of elitism, and yet people who would not tolerate classism in any other part of their lives borrowed that value and bolted it onto their belief system because it was part of college football, which they loved. It was past time for the pretense of amateurism to die. I say good riddance.

That leaves us with the pretense that the NCAA still has any authority whatsoever. The market for the sport is huge because there are so many of us who love it. We have created that market, and we should not shy away from the implications of its existence. That market has killed amateurism in a place where amateurism did not belong. That market has also created systems of control that operate outside of the purview of the NCAA. It is past time that we end the NCAA and the pretense that they still have any authority over this sport. The best way to get to the accountability that I want to see is to embrace the reality of the market that I'm a part of. I, for one, have no problem with that.
 
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This makes perfect sense to me. I have not and do not follow any of the pro sports you mentioned and am only vaguely aware of some of your examples (and not at all aware of others) because of that. But the general principle that you cite is a principle of human interaction, not sports. Looked at from that light, it is the arcane bullshit around college football that needs to die, and that process has already begun.

The first thing we needed to get rid of was this bizarre worship of amateurism. That is a vestige of the pretentious northeastern would-be aristocrats who borrowed such values from the upper classes of the UK and Europe. It came from a belief that the idle gentlemen is superior to the working class and should not be sullied by association with them. It came from the worst kind of elitism, and yet people who would not tolerate classism in any other part of their lives borrowed that value and bolted it onto their belief system because it was part of college football, which they loved. It was past time for the pretense of amateurism to die. I say good riddance.

That leaves us with the pretense that the NCAA still has any authority whatsoever. The market for the sport is huge because there are so many of us who love it. We have created that market, and we should not shy away from the implications of its existence. That market has killed amateurism in a place where amateurism did not belong. That market has also created systems of control that operate outside of the purview of the NCAA. It is past time that we end the NCAA and the pretense that they still have any authority over this sport. The best way to get to the accountability that I want to see is to embrace the reality of the market that I'm a part of. I, for one, have no problem with that.

Yep.

If you read anything from Nassim Taleb- this is a perfect example of his antifragility concept. The people in charge created a bubble where no stressors got through for a very long time so instead of adapting along the way in small steps, there was one big blow up when time eventually gave the system a stressor it couldn't handle because it had not developed any ability to do so (fragile vs robust). Instead of a gradual evolution, college football just got hit with a Black Swan.

Like a lot of other things in our society- unintended consequences from naive intervention ultimately caused more harm than good (no matter the original intentions).

I call it Soccer mom syndrome. Ricky grows up and never learns to develop his coping mechanisms because Mom kept all the bad stuff away (for a while).
 
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If you read anything from Nassim Taleb-...
Holy crap

I read so many things from so many points of view in that genre in the 90s. I have since mostly moved on, not because I thought I knew what there was to know, but because there were so many other areas that I had not explored at all. Now I find that this guy came along shortly after I walked away from the genre... of course I have heard of several of his concepts that have made their way into the common lexicon, but I had no idea where they were from.

Long story short: I just bought the entire Incerto series on Kindle... I may be away from BP for awhile.
 
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Holy crap

I read so many things from so many points of view in that genre in the 90s. I have since mostly moved on, not because I thought I knew what there was to know, but because there were so many other areas that I had not explored at all. Now I find that this guy came along shortly after I walked away from the genre... of course I have heard of several of his concepts that have made their way into the common lexicon, but I had no idea where they were from.

Long story short: I just bought the entire Incerto series on Kindle... I may be away from BP for awhile.

DM me on this one- love to geek out about it
 
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I expect I'll be taking you up on this shortly after I start reading (something I will try very hard to put off until the work-day (week) has concluded)

Start with antifragile and work around to the others. You are already pretty well grounded in the topics of "fooled by randomness" and "the black swan" although they are great reads. The bed of Procrustes is just a collection of aphorisims (I like it but there is no math lol).

All in all the guy is a good read, kind of pretentious, definitely a powerful intellect and happy to let you know it. His focus on the classics is what struck a chord with me.
 
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