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Coaching Hockey Fights

osugrad21

Capo Regime
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Drudge


Published October 19, 2005
[ From the Lansing State Journal ]
Schneider: Hockey fighting flares emotions - on both sides

<!--STORY TEXT--> DIMONDALE - Can we all agree that the coach-ordered fistfighting Bob McClean believes he witnessed at The Summit ice arena last week is a bad thing?
We cannot.
Gordon Allington has no objection to it. His 17-year-old son, Chase Allington, plays in the local Capital Centre Pride league. The kid says he fights when the coach says "fight."
The father accepts it as an occupational hazard. Calling Tuesday from Wasilla, Alaska, he said: "They must learn how to protect themselves. It's a way to get the kids to the next level."
Al Harris agrees. He lives in East Lansing and has two sons - 11 and 17 - who play hockey. In an e-mail responding to Tuesday's column, Harris wrote:
"In my opinion, the parents of these high-caliber players brought their kids to this coaching staff in order to prepare them for hockey at the next level."
He added: "Regardless of how it looks, these players were learning to protect themselves and their teammates in a sport that condones physical confrontation."
Fight night
As I wrote Tuesday, McClean, a retired cop who lives in Dimondale, was watching his grandson play at The Summit, in Dimondale, on Oct. 11, when he saw something that filled him with disgust.
He called it "orchestrated brutality."
As McClean described the scenario, a coach at a practice session of teenage hockey players ordered the kids to drop their gloves and helmets, and fight each other, one on one. He said he witnessed four or five fights, which left several kids bloodied.
Debi Haigh of Eagle, at The Summit with her 9-year-old daughter, said she saw the same thing McClean saw.
"I was stunned," Haigh said. "One boy took a heck of a beating. He skated to the side holding his nose and wiping tears."
Based on McClean's account and a preliminary review, Jim Cain, who runs both The Summit and the league, suspended an unnamed coach while he investigates.
"We have reason to believe fighting occurred," Cain said, adding that such conduct violates rules of both the league and USA Hockey, the governing body of amateur hockey in the United States.
Also, George Atkinson of the Michigan Amateur Hockey Association said Tuesday that his group will "get to the bottom" of the incident.
"We certainly do not condone the type of behavior described in your article," Atkinson said.
Speaking theoretically, Eaton County Prosecutor Jeffrey Sauter said a coach who encourages minors to engage in assault could face misdemeanor charges.
Parents feel stymied
Clearly, some parents of players who know about the fighting don't like it, but they feel paralyzed by their sons' hockey ambitions.
I heard from two women who identified themselves as mothers of two of the players on the team in question.
One of the mothers said her son suffered a concussion and three loose teeth in one of the "practice fights." The other mother said her son was forced to fight his best friend.
But neither had filed a complaint, and both were adamant about not being publicly identified.
Why? They offered identical motives: Their sons begged them not to do or say anything that would threaten their standing on the team and their future in hockey.
Their reasoning went like this: The boys struggled through the ranks to become part of an elite team in the Pride league. Being linked to an official complaint would subject a player to being shunned, at best, and possible retaliation.
Said one mother: "If it ever got out that he complained, his days of playing serious hockey would be over."
 
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Whatever, I don't have a problem with this unless kids are actually getting hurt or embarassed during this drill. When they say a kid went to the boards hold his nose and crying probably sounds worse than it really is. I've wrestled around with friends and gott popped in the nose plenty of times and I don't care how tough you are your gonna tear up. It's just a natural reaction. These kids need to know how to defend themselves seeing as fighting is a part of the sport. How ever if this is some Cobra Kai shit, then Fuck em.
 
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look at rick nash, one fight in two years. and after the game mcclean said it was great to see nash had become a man, but he never wanted to see him drop his gloves.

if you dont believe me browse hockeyfights.com and search for some of the big names.

forsberg 2 career fights
 
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My point is, it's a lot more likely that these kids stand a significantly better chance to be the next Jody Shelley, not the next Peter Forsberg.

You take a lot away from shelley with this statement. Everyone know him as an enfoecer but he really puts up some decent numbers. Not the best numbers but better then average when it comes to all around points.

I don't believe that the caoches should have the kids kicking each others asses during practice, that's ridiculous. If they want to encourage them to fight on the ice and it's not banned in the league they are playing in then that's fine. There is no reason to coach them in fighting instead spend more time on puck handling and passing.

If he want them to fight have them go join a boxing gym or karate or something.
 
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I don't know how much a karate instructer is going to help you in a fight when you're wearing pads and skates. Also, 90% (if not more) of NHL players will get into at least one or two scraps a year, and likely more. I certainly don't see the harm in teaching kids how to defend themselves, and how to protect themselves from serious injury when said fights occur.

And yes, I am taking away from Shelley. I think he's a hell of a role player, and used to do his job very well. Until last year, when he concentrated more on his offensive play (which explains his numbers, which I will concede were decent at best). He was also getting his ass kicked left and right, however, because he was still the team's enforcer (his role). The Blue Jackets don't pay him to score goals, they pay him to stop the cheap shots and to protect Nash, Zherdev, et al. Obviously, you need to be able to handle a stick as well, but Shelley wouldn't be an NHL player if it weren't for the fisticuffs.
 
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Also, 90% (if not more) of NHL players will get into at least one or two scraps a year, and likely more.

nash 1 fight 155 games
zherdev 0 fights 63 games
malhotra 7 fights 352 games
berrard 6 fights 516 games
hrdina 0 fights 444games
fritsche 0 fights 25games
letowski 1 fights 405games
foote 19 fights 805games
marchant 7 fights 762games
shelley 88 fights 202 games
chimera 7 fights 134games
suchy n/a fights 378 games
richardson 63 fights 1253 games
wright 22 fights 576 games
vyborny 0 fights 321 games
hulse 38 fights 583 games
delmore 0 fights 277games
westcott 4 fights 82 games
rupp 3 fights 88 games


theres a look at the cbj, as you can see the brawling is left up to an elite few
 
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They don't need to train kids to fight. Fighting is part of the game but not everyone participates in it. jim said it best only an elite few are considered brawlers and enforcers. I don't think that coaches go out a specifically scout guys who can throw down. More they go out and scout guys that can put #'s on the board, if the happen to be a scrapper the that's an added bonus.
 
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Lemieux had one fight early in his career, maybe even his first year, and got pummelled. It put him off fighting for his career.

Not all big players shy away. Cam Neely would take ona and hang with anyone. He'd beat the piss out of you if you made him mad, just ask Ulf Sammuelson.

You don't need to know how to fight to get to the next level, you know how to score, skate and or check like a freight train. Some players need to fight, but the vast majority don't need to fight in order to get to the next level.

Anyone ever watch Georges Laraque throw down? He's the current champ and can light anyone up.
 
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the thing about shelley is hes not a good fighter. he doesnt walk away from them thinking he won most of them. his role is to grind, check and bring energy to the game. when called upon to turn the momentum, clean up the gloves or when provoked hell drop the gloves. if you watch hockey it is amazing how fights are a strategic thing.
 
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Shelley kicked serious ass his first couple of years. Last year he had his ass handed to him on a regular basis. He was also called into Maclean's office after the season and told he better start to kick ass again, or else. There's a guy in the minors now, I can't remember his name, but he kicks some serious ass and will replace Shelley if Shelley doesn't start to win some.

As for the percentages, I was wrong. Only 26% of players (CBJ, anyway) don't get into fights. My bad.
 
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