Coaching Fatigue?

[AuTX Buckeye]

Mods, I looked didn't find a place I thought this would fit, feel free to move it yall know of a better spot... PS. I really hope this isn't considered bashing

1st. I love our coaches and Tressel, this is not a thread calling for any coach to be fired or removed, i'm just asking a question.

2nd. I just want to ask the question, I know the players are only with the coaches 4 years on average, but could coaching fatigue be setting in.

by this I mean, are the coaches are still coaching the same way they've always done, the same things they did that lead us to the NC in 02, but are the players just not listening. Or is it the other way around. Has their coaching styles and philosophies change, and the players are reflecting that?

I just wonder because in this day and age, most coaching staffs from big time programs get poached all the time. I don't have the answer, I just wanted to put the question out there to people who know more about me.

 

[heisman]

Coaches that are poached are typically perceived as very innovative.

 

[BuckStocksHere]

Coaches don't get stupid overnight. (or smart for that matter)

3rd fastest to 100 wins is all I need to know. You will never see another coach this good so enjoy the ride while we are on it.

 

[strohs]

I just wonder because in this day and age, most coaching staffs from big time programs get poached all the time. I don't have the answer, I just wanted to put the question out there to people who know more about me.

We used to constantly get poached on the defensive side of the ball, and I predict that will continue to happen.
The offensive side is a very different story...

 

[JBaney45]

I think your sort of biting at a potential problem but not necessarily diagnosing the right thing.

You have to understand, that winning the NC takes a lot of luck, you need the ball to bounce your way etc.

I don't think we're talking about coaching fatigue, although if you notice that a LOT of the coaches that have won the national championship recently have won it very early on in their career at a particular school. Stoops: 2nd year, Tressel: 2nd year, Meyer: 2nd and 4th year, Miles: 3rd year, Pete Carroll: 4th year, Saban in his 3rd year at both places and then haven't won it again. It makes 0 sense that that would be the case, right?

I want to look at something else though, the player's motivation and focus, a common trend with a lot of those teams is that they were down on hard times before said coach arrived, (Miles with LSU might be the exception to that rule, except that LSU lost 2 games that year so I don't really know that you can say that they WERE that exception) was it their experience being down that allowed them to focus more on each individual task at hand because they had a greater respect for how hard it would be to win in every game?


Interesting fact, go back and look at the past BCS champions, there have been 12 crowned, only FOUR of those teams won their conference the year before, 1998 Tennessee, 1999 FSU, 2001 Miami and 2004 USC.

So the question that I might raise about some of these coaches, is that are their teams experiencing so much success under them that trying to keep the team at that extremely high level of focus week in and week out is just proving to be too difficult? I mean I don't think ours or anyone else players are coming in with a mindset that they don't have to work hard or whatever but when your going in every week against teams that are extremely hungry to beat you that level of intensity and focus is tough to match on a week in and week out basis.

We see it all the time in college football think about the 2002 Miami team, or the 2005 USC team or the 2009 Florida Team and even to an extent our 2003 team that were older and expected to be better versions of their previous national champion counterpart that couldn't get it done.

I'm not saying it's impossible to ever win an NC, but let's face it..we have won 5 straight Big Ten titles, we had a young team last year that was highly motivated and perhaps even overachieved. It's very hard to keep that level of intensity and hunger up from week to week. It didn't seem like we were ready to play yesterday but the loss gives us motivation to feed off of and become better. It's obviously unfortunate that this team most likely won't get a chance at a NC because of it, but that's the way college football works under the current system.

 

[seed702]

Coaches don't get stupid overnight. (or smart for that matter)

3rd fastest to 100 wins is all I need to know. You will never see another coach this good so enjoy the ride while we are on it.

GPA for you.

Trust me, Coach Tressel and his guys aren't fatigued.

People need to realize that we don't have a team full of superheroes that have special powers rendering any opponent helpless. It was a night game at Camp Randall. Wisconsin has the biggest offensive line in the country, even bigger than some NFL squads. This was going to be a tough game regardless of what the line was, what the talking heads (read: talking idiots) were saying, etc.

When you accept the fact that Ohio State is going to lose a game once in a while, I think you'll find solace in that Coach Tressel and his staff as unbelievably adept at finding the problem and fixing it the majority of the time.

Like Stocks said, enjoy the ride. Tress has been at OSU a decade now, and he'll be 58 in December. Who knows what will happen 4-5 years from now when he's staring at his mid-sixties. He's a family man, and will probably NOT elect to coach into his 70's. Enjoy it while you can.

 

[txp135]

You have to understand, that winning the NC takes a lot of luck, you need the ball to bounce your way etc.

I said this when I first joined the forum and of course everyone accused me of bashing. I didn't even say "a lot of luck", I said "some luck".

I personally think that most coaches win early in their career because their competitions did not have enough time to find the chinks in the armor yet. Plus, when you're the highest ranked team then your game is circled on everyone's calendars - you're taking everyone's best shot. There are many other factors but one important one good coaches always stretch is how the team response to adversities; when winning becomes expected and comes easily most of the time, the team isn't used to performing under pressure. I remember during OSU's NC run, every game seem close and that team played tough all year. Fans want to win by a couple tds every game but that has a price when you run into adversities. This team obviously responded to adversities, they just ran out of time or maybe needed the ball to roll the right way once or twice to win last night's game.

 

[osugrad21]

I said this when I first joined the forum and of course everyone accused me of bashing. I didn't even say "a lot of luck", I said "some luck".

Irrelevant to the topic, but after browsing your posting history, I think the forum reaction to you went a little beyond that tidbit. However, don't let facts get in the way of a good story.

Anyway, I don't see any coaching fatigue...I see a team that got its tail cut by a hungrier team in a hostile environment. By the time tOSU regained their legs, it was too late.

 

[southcampus]

I'm gonna throw this out there to see if anyone else saw it and reacted the way I did after rewinding it about three times. After we had gone down 21-0, I swear I saw about 2 seconds of Jim Tressel expressing some anger towards Coach Hazel. Anyone else see that?

 

[SloopyHangOn]

If the trend stays true, this is Auburn's year.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Unfortunately I couldn't catch the game and only got to follow some gamecast and see the final score.

I expected OSU to win but not by a ton adn wasn't exactly surprised they lost, but the thing that surprised me was that they lost to a good Wisconsin team by 13 points. Sure it was away, but I was almost sure that this team was going to be able to keep it within 7 points unless Pryor went down.

That being said, I've always been impressed and like Tressel. I don't want him to leave and sure he has his shortcomings that sometimes annoy me, but I think I'll let him hang around. I don't think it's as much coaching fatigue or whatever, but just the team got a bit exposed.

I can't go into specifics since I haven't seen the game, but it seems like Pryor isn't as far as I thought he was adn Posey has realy surprised me this year. I expected him to get very close to ~1000 yds and 12 TDS, but he has dissapeared in a couple games.

Also, the defense, while good, seems to be a bit overated. 8 sacks through 7 games? I'm really hoping they can corect this especially.

 

[RugbyBuck]

As far as NCs, I think that the best you can hope for is to have a coach that consistently has the team in a position to play for them. We have that. We've played in three, winning one, having our ass kicked in one, and losing one that we could've/should've won. Most other years, we've been in BCS bowls, again, not winning them all, but (despite what espin and the SEC mouthbreathers think) playing respectably. Yes, I want to win them all, but the teams we play at this level (especially at the end of the year) are also pretty damn good. Tressel-ball (although the definition may've been broadened a little this year) get us in position to play in these types of games year in and out. We're not Texas Tech or Okie State or even Oklahoma who get there every now and then and lay eggs or FSU or Miami who just disappear for years at a time.

We're lucky, folks, to have someone as dedicated to the University as JT is, who would defer $ so that his assistants could see raises, who is seemingly impervious to the media and maintains his course. It works and it will continue to work. If it didn't, we wouldn't have TP & Co. they'd be playing for some other team that they believed was more with it and likely to win a championship.