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I may be missing something, but instead of going the lawsuit route, why not take a copy of the Carfax report and use that in the price negotiation? I'd KBB the value of the car with the 75k miles, and take a print-out of that as well, to show them a more realistic asking price.

At the very least, the fact that their mileage doesn't match up should give you a little bit of leverage. There seem to be a lot of red flags in this story, and there are plenty of other places that would like to sell you a car. Worst case scenario is to just go to another dealer that you feel better about.
 
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If you buy the car with the preconceived intent to sue the dealership afterwards, you are no better than them, that is, a piece of shit. Additionally, much of the costs of litigation (i.e. the Judge's and court's staff salaries, court utility bills, etc.) are borne by the public through taxes. So go fuck yourself for even considering this.
 
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JohnnyCockfight;1471596; said:
If you buy the car with the preconceived intent to sue the dealership afterwards, you are no better than them, that is, a piece of shit. Additionally, much of the costs of litigation (i.e. the Judge's and court's staff salaries, court utility bills, etc.) are borne by the public through taxes. So go fuck yourself for even considering this.
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I am trying to put my arms around how you really feel about this situation?
 
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BuckeyeMafia;1471453; said:
Was worth a shot. :biggrin: Sorry folks, I'm no expert on any of this. Thanks for your help!
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Neither am I,but gee whiz! :biggrin:
I'd never even think of buying that or anything else from them. What I would do is march over there with the carfax & say wazz up wit dis?
I got my own carfax on my car & the dealer also gave me one soon as I walked through the door. That was why I bought it & I am pleased.

Took my bosses daughter car shopping & they gave her the carfax to a car she tested. It mentioned slight front left damage,but it was repaired rather well that you could not notice it. It had all the regular maintenance on it as well.

Another local dealer would not give her a carfax to the car she tested or even see it!
 
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elliemae;1471640; said:
Neither am I,but gee whiz! :biggrin:
I'd never even think of buying that or anything else from them. What I would do is march over there with the carfax & say wazz up wit dis?
I got my own carfax on my car & the dealer also gave me one soon as I walked through the door. That was why I bought it & I am pleased.

Took my bosses daughter car shopping & they gave her the carfax to a car she tested. It mentioned slight front left damage,but it was repaired rather well that you could not notice it. It had all the regular maintenance on it as well.

Another local dealer would not give her a carfax to the car she tested or even see it!
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Carfax can be misleading too. I had my eye on an 96 Audi A6 a few years back. Copied down the vin and sent it to Carfax and got a report back that led to my purchasing the car. Soon became evident that the car had been in an accident at one time. Cost me about an extra $700 to fix some of the problems left. The previous owner had evidently paid for the repairs to keep the accident off of his insurance and so the data was never entered in the Carfax bank.

I was lucky. The Audi turned out to be a very dependable set of wheels ad a great road trip car for the nine years I owned it, but the child proof door locks could never be undone, the back rear window U/D switch was reversed and the doors on the driver side of the car always had more wind nose than you should get with an Audi.
 
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JohnnyCockfight;1471596; said:
If you buy the car with the preconceived intent to sue the dealership afterwards, you are no better than them, that is, a piece of shit. Additionally, much of the costs of litigation (i.e. the Judge's and court's staff salaries, court utility bills, etc.) are borne by the public through taxes. So go fuck yourself for even considering this.
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+ eleventy million
 
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BuckeyeMafia;1471422; said:
What I plan on doing if I do in fact buy the car is give them phone calls about a week after it's purchased, then pick it up into lawsuit form a week after that. I'm not sure how obvious 40,000 miles are to a mechanic, but I don't imagine it would be that hard to identify and prove if I am right. Thing is, they're going to need a damn good excuse for this one if I have any proof at all.

As far as approaching them about the mileage- I assume before I buy the car I bring them the printed Carfax and ask for an explanation. Get them to write down why it's messed up, and play sweet, ignorant buyer, driving away in a new car. Then I play "I just got screwed by being a sweet ignorant buyer".
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Why would you get a new car out of it?

See previous post, best you're going to do is get your money back and they get the car back... and you'll have legal fees out of your pocket...

And... umm... what if you don't win?

Find a different car to buy.
 
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cincibuck;1472103; said:
Carfax can be misleading too. I had my eye on an 96 Audi A6 a few years back. Copied down the vin and sent it to Carfax and got a report back that led to my purchasing the car. Soon became evident that the car had been in an accident at one time. Cost me about an extra $700 to fix some of the problems left. The previous owner had evidently paid for the repairs to keep the accident off of his insurance and so the data was never entered in the Carfax bank.

I was lucky. The Audi turned out to be a very dependable set of wheels ad a great road trip car for the nine years I owned it, but the child proof door locks could never be undone, the back rear window U/D switch was reversed and the doors on the driver side of the car always had more wind nose than you should get with an Audi.
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Mine was a lease car from New York & it had everything on it from the lease company possible. But I am sure from a private owner that is possible. I had someone hit this car I have now while I was on the Gateway Clipper Fleet,party ship! The left rear door was dented looked like they cut the wheel too quick!
My deductible is $400.00. I found someone to fix it for $250 & very reliable.
Even if I claimed it it would not go against me since it was parked & I was not in it according to Allstate. I filed a report incase!
So I see where that could be an issue! Thanks for that.
 
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