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I'd like to get a solid digital SLR camera. Is around $300 acceptable, or should I aim a little higher? I don't need anything outrageous, but I want something that can take a nice, high-res photo.

I'm pretty much clueless about this stuff.. so..
 
My gut says no, but you might be able to snag an older model and/or a used one at slightly more than that.

Fredmiranda.com is a great place to buy used pro gear, which includes more basic models like yours (most of us start out with consumer level gear). I have purchased most of my equipment on there from their buy n sell forum, including my three most expensive items.

What types of pics do you want to take with it? Landscapes, parties, vacations? Outdoor sports? Indoor ones?

Are you going to be adding lenses to your collection over time or were you just trying to buy a cheap slr camera instead of a premium point n shoot?

Also consider the convenience. I rarely take my slr to anything besides family holidays because it is bulky and expensive. I usually take my limited but decent point n shoot because I can stuff it in my pocket.

You can get incredible deals in that field if you do not need interchangeable lenses or long zooms.

very overated: megapixels.

Mine has 8 and can make huge prints. You can even get away with slightly less, but nothing above that is necessary for amateurs or even pros that work in fields besides fashion/wedding/portraiture. I am largely a candid photographer (sports, events, random other stuff) and I do not crave more megapixels.

Not essential: hd video. Will likely put you way out of your price range anyway, and many point n shoots take decent vidro, especially when mounted on a tripod.

Very important: the sensor. Today's entry level dslrs have come along way, greatly reducing the noise (aka pixelation or speckling) in high iso shots (like at night or indoors). Some point n shoots now do a lot better indoors, but are no comparison to entry level dslrs, which in turn are behind prosumer dslrs, and those are behind pro gear. That comes down to the quality and size of the sensor that captures the light. Cell phone pics still stink, even with big megapixels, because the physical box capturing the image is too small. As you move up in cameras, that sensor size increases and so does the image quality indoors.

Note: I am speaking about similar aged models. My pro dslr is multiple years old so there are now some entry level cameras with much better technology for handling high iso noise levels. Still, nothing short of the newest pro model can focus in indoor sports as well as mine.

Nice feature: manual controls. Pretty standard on most dslrs, but have become prevalent on many point n shoot cameras too. If your camera can shoot at a low enough f stop, meaning it lets in plenty of natural light, sometimes it is better to shoot without a flash. Or if you want to do some hdr photography, you need to be able to take a regular photo and then take the same one with it manually overexposed and underexposed by a certain amount.

If you do not need lenses, I might consider a really nice point n shoot over a dslr.
 
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Josh, as our resident photo expert, what do you see as the primary reason behind the demise of the TLR?

I remember when I was a kid, my uncle had a really nice Rolleiflex two-lens reflex camera, and Mamiya made nice TLRs at that time also. But that kind of camera has gone the way of the dodo. My unk liked the fact you didn't lose track of the subject when the shutter was activated, and that the relatively heavy mirror movement wasn't required. (Of course, that's all academic in this digital age.)
 
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The TLRs were bulkier, usually didn't support interchangeable lenses (the mamiya 330 has them but a limited set), the viewfinder & captured image were not always the same (close shots are most noticeable, since the lens is significantly below your viewing angle). The SLRs are also sexier, which is a major factor in american culture (although now the classic TLRs make much better antiques with their quality construction, sharp metal lines vs the weaker lines of the slr).

p.s. Many pros still use Hasselblads for weddings, with old film and everything. It's tough to beat their resolution and quality for large wedding pics, even with the advances in technology. While they aren't TLRs, they are old fashioned. I think I'd get a tired neck looking down all the time.
 
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Buy & Sell Photo-Gear - FM Forums

General pricing (you can register and send PMs without getting a subscription. Also, logging in lets you search the forum, whereas you can only search b&h's retail site when browsing anonymously).

$200...... - Canon Rebel XTi ($400 new)
$280-290 - Canon 20D w/ kit lens (no new sellers, maybe $450?)
$330-370 - Canon 30D (no legit new sellers, I'd guess $600-700ish)
$400-470 - Canon Rebel XSi ($550 new)
 
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jwinslow;1752381; said:
What types of pics do you want to take with it? Landscapes, parties, vacations? Outdoor sports? Indoor ones?

Definitely more landscapes, vacations, etc. I'll probably end up using it for sports too, but that's not what I really want one for. I'll probably take a lot of indoor photos too. But not parties.

Are you going to be adding lenses to your collection over time or were you just trying to buy a cheap slr camera instead of a premium point n shoot?

I'd probably like to add some lenses over time. But, I have so little experience that I'm not sure. I'd like to leave the option open.

Thanks for all the other info. Definitely helpful. I almost just PM'd you instead of starting a thread. :lol:
 
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Those 4 I listed would be a great starting point and more than suit your needs. Check on slickdeals for deals on CompactFlash cards (which unlike most electronics, are not priced competitively, whereas SD cards are dirt cheap).
 
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Big piece of advice for SLR investers:

Put your money into lenses over cameras if you can. Lenses retain their value, cameras freefall in residual value. Also, average cameras and great lenses are a much better combo than the opposite.

My Canon 1D Mark II camera:

2004 - $4500
2007 - $1900 (used price)
2009 - $1000 (used price for my second body)
2010 - $700

:shake:

Canon 70-200 f2.8L IS

2003 - $1800-1900
2008 - 1800-1900 (I used a coupon for $1500)
2010 - [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Canon-70-200mm-2-8L-Telephoto-Cameras/dp/B00006I53X"]1900[/ame]


So if you are going to make some bigger investments, get quality glass (lenses). Your fancy new camera will be worth dirt in a few years.
 
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Canon EOS Rebel XS Digital SLR Camera with Canon EF-S 18-55mm IS lens (Black)

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I just bought the Canon rebel XS got it on Sale at Bestbuy 2 weeks ago for $450. I also got a good 4gb mem card that holds 800ish pictures. HD Video in a camera is REALLY overrated. I got one of those cams for like 250 and its awesome (jvc)

I am abosolutly in LOVE with this camera. We are already looking into the 200m lens soon. You will love it
 
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Josh is very knowledgeable about cameras. Lenses make the camera! That's why when you see a Leica lens on a $300 camera most often that's a good value at that price. I had one of the first generation Sony digital cameras(magnesium body!) and it had a Carl Zeiss lens and took beautiful pictures.
My next digital was a Canon that could use all my Canon film camera lenses. That saved me a ton of money.
The advancing technology quickly makes camera bodies obsolete, that's why camera bodies don't hold their value.
If you've been shooting for years a Canon or Nikon are worth it.
If your a newbie getting your feet wet and don't have a lot of money and are unsure of how much you'll use it, your probably better off with something like the Panny above for $300.
What ever you buy be sure to use the camera strap so you won't drop that plastic camera! :(
And sand and moisture can kill your new pride and joy very quickly! :(
Have fun and post some naked pictures of your girl!(just kidding!)
 
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jwinslow;1752434; said:
Buy & Sell Photo-Gear - FM Forums

General pricing (you can register and send PMs without getting a subscription. Also, logging in lets you search the forum, whereas you can only search b&h's retail site when browsing anonymously).

$200...... - Canon Rebel XTi ($400 new)
$280-290 - Canon 20D w/ kit lens (no new sellers, maybe $450?)
$330-370 - Canon 30D (no legit new sellers, I'd guess $600-700ish)
$400-470 - Canon Rebel XSi ($550 new)
If you can get something like that numbers, jump on it. I have an XTi and absolutely love it. So versatile and so many features. If $300 is your limit, you can easily get a base lens in that forum or on eBay from a reputable seller for under $100 and upgrade when you have more funds. Like said above, it's the lenses that make the picture...well that and the photographer. I'd highly recommend that XTi...especially if you can find one at that price.
 
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Glad to hear the XTi is working out.

For first time buyers, I'd go with the 18-55 (it will be good for parties, landscapes) and then take your time saving up or deciding if you'll use a better lens. If you are buying a new camera body, you can save money skipping the kit lens, but for a first time buyer used, it's a great throw-in.
3074326;1752492; said:
Looks like I need to get a new job. :lol:
If you find one that buys your gear, let me know :tic:
 
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