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OCBucksFan
I won a math debate
Browns got screwed, if ever there was an example of a force out that was it.
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Buckeyedynasty
I'd hit it!
3 turnovers and we still won that game. Fucking Ref's always ruining games. What a worthless none call.
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Let's review here....
1) The refs were incompetent all game long. Edwards was clearly down but they still called the TD as good
Also Sean Jones INT was incomplete (the ball hit the ground and moved), but they still gave it to Cleveland.
There's no surprise they blew the last call, they'd been blowing them all game long and there are quite a few good examples.
2) Even though the Browns have 4 turnovers they still had a shot to win.
3) The lack of discipline on this team is absolutely embarrassing. And all this falls on the shoulders of Crennel.
4) This defense wouldn't stop a JV high school team at this point. And they even played GREAT the first half, but something happens at halftime that makes these guys go into hiding or something.
5) Kurt Warner has struggled from day one when there is pressure in his face. Imagine what the Browns DIDN'T do all day long?
1) The refs were incompetent all game long. Edwards was clearly down but they still called the TD as good
Also Sean Jones INT was incomplete (the ball hit the ground and moved), but they still gave it to Cleveland.
There's no surprise they blew the last call, they'd been blowing them all game long and there are quite a few good examples.
2) Even though the Browns have 4 turnovers they still had a shot to win.
3) The lack of discipline on this team is absolutely embarrassing. And all this falls on the shoulders of Crennel.
4) This defense wouldn't stop a JV high school team at this point. And they even played GREAT the first half, but something happens at halftime that makes these guys go into hiding or something.
5) Kurt Warner has struggled from day one when there is pressure in his face. Imagine what the Browns DIDN'T do all day long?
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ashlandbuck
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One of the worst calls I've seen this year.
Even getting hit and pushed as hard as Winslow was, he still managed to
get one foot in bounds. That should leave little doubt that if he hadn't been pushed he would've easily came in bounds. It shouldn't have been a difficult call.
If you notice the ref standing at the corner making the call, as the play ended he seemed completely unsure as to what to call. He waited a few seconds and then mildly crossed his arms as if to say, "no good....I think"
Geez I've seen some horrible refing this year.
Even getting hit and pushed as hard as Winslow was, he still managed to
get one foot in bounds. That should leave little doubt that if he hadn't been pushed he would've easily came in bounds. It shouldn't have been a difficult call.
If you notice the ref standing at the corner making the call, as the play ended he seemed completely unsure as to what to call. He waited a few seconds and then mildly crossed his arms as if to say, "no good....I think"
Geez I've seen some horrible refing this year.
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ashlandbuck
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BuckeyeMike80;1015598; said:
The NFL changed the ruling concerning catches made and the ball hitting the ground. It no longer matters if the ball hits the ground if the ref feels the player had control of the ball.
I'm sure that is what they decided. Although I'm not so sure he did have control of it as well. It certainly was a tougher call than that last one
But as far as the rest of your post, you are right on.
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Buckeneye
I lead, you follow.
Regardless, looking back at the play; the Safety came over and hit winslow before he even had the damn ball. Even if its not a catch, at the minimum it SHOULD have been interference. As we well know, games cannot end on defensive penalties (Removing a helmet in celebration sound familiar?) therefore teh Brownies should have had the ball on the one with one more play to score on.
In reality, 2 blown calls at the end of the game. I agree though, horrid officiating throughout the game; and....Braylon wasnt down by contact either. The interception I'll give, I for one said during the replay it was going to be overturned, though, it was damn close.
In reality, 2 blown calls at the end of the game. I agree though, horrid officiating throughout the game; and....Braylon wasnt down by contact either. The interception I'll give, I for one said during the replay it was going to be overturned, though, it was damn close.
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Buckeneye;1015615; said:
wanna bet?
if the safety doesn't kick out his left leg flying past him in a failed attempt at an INT, Braylon stays on his feet.
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cjmik_75
Legend
It's too bad there isn't a rule stating the defensive player can not make contact or interfere with an offensive receiver while the ball is in the air.
Another rule they should have is when a receiver clearly coming down in bounds, makes a reception, controls the ball all the way to the ground and the defensive player forces him out of bounds before getting two feet in: it should be automatically called a reception forcing the defensive player to also make a play on the ball instead of just shoving him out and acting like a JV player hoping to get in on Friday night garbage time minutes.
Until they NFL makes these two rules clearly stated in their rule book I think it's horse shit. Didn't an NBA official get in trouble for something last year?!?
Here's a story I found on BP about horse shit that reminds me of the last none call at the end of this game:
Imagine, if you will, a load of horseshit. And we?re not talking just your average load of horseshit; no, we?re talking colossal load of horsehit. An epic load of horseshit. The kind of load of horseshit that has accreted over decades and has developed its own sort of ecosystem, from the flyblown chunks at the perimeter, down into the heated and decomposing center, generating explosive levels of methane as bacteria feast merrily on vintage, liquified crap. This is a Herculean load of horseshit, friends, the likes of which has not been seen since the days of Augeas. And you look at it and you say, ?Wow, what a load of horseshit.?
But then there?s this guy. And this guy loves this load of horseshit. Why? Well, really, who knows? What possesses someone to love a load of horseshit? It?s beyond your understanding and possibly you don?t actually want to know, even if you could know; maybe it?s one of those ?on that path lies madness? things. But love it he does, and he?s not the only one; the admiration for this particular load of horseshit exists, unaccountably, far and wide. There are advocates for this load of horseshit.
And so this guy who loves this load of horseshit decides that he?s going to do something; he?s going to give it a home. And not just any home, because as this is no ordinary load of horseshit, so must its home be no ordinary repository for horseshit. And so the fellow builds a temple for his load of horseshit. The finest architects scope this temple?s dimensions; the most excellent builders hoist columns around the load of horseshit and cap them with a cunning and elegant dome; and every surface of the temple is clad in fine-grained Italian marble by the most competent masons in a three-state radius. The load of horseshit is surrounded by comfortable seats, the better for people to gaze upon it; docents are hired to expertly describe its history and features; multimedia events are designed to explain its superior nature, relative not only to other loads of horseshit which may compete in loadosity or horseshittery, but to other, completely unrelated things which may or may not be loads of anything, much less loads of horseshit.
The guy who built the temple, satisfied that it truly represents his beloved load of horseshit in the best possible light, then opens the temple to the public, to attract not only the already-established horseshit enthusiasts, but possibly to entice new people to come and gaze on the horseshit, and to, well, who knows, admire its moundyness, or the way it piles just so, to nod in appreciation of the rationalizations for its excellence or to clap in delight and take pictures when an escaping swell of methane causes the load of horseshit to sigh a moist and pungent sigh.
When all of this is done, the fellow turns to you and asks you what you think of it all now, now that this gorgeous edifice has been raised in glory and the masses cluster in celebration.
And you say, ?Well, that?s all very nice. But it?s still just an enormous load of horseshit!!!!!!!!!!
Go Browns!!!
Another rule they should have is when a receiver clearly coming down in bounds, makes a reception, controls the ball all the way to the ground and the defensive player forces him out of bounds before getting two feet in: it should be automatically called a reception forcing the defensive player to also make a play on the ball instead of just shoving him out and acting like a JV player hoping to get in on Friday night garbage time minutes.
Until they NFL makes these two rules clearly stated in their rule book I think it's horse shit. Didn't an NBA official get in trouble for something last year?!?
Here's a story I found on BP about horse shit that reminds me of the last none call at the end of this game:
Imagine, if you will, a load of horseshit. And we?re not talking just your average load of horseshit; no, we?re talking colossal load of horsehit. An epic load of horseshit. The kind of load of horseshit that has accreted over decades and has developed its own sort of ecosystem, from the flyblown chunks at the perimeter, down into the heated and decomposing center, generating explosive levels of methane as bacteria feast merrily on vintage, liquified crap. This is a Herculean load of horseshit, friends, the likes of which has not been seen since the days of Augeas. And you look at it and you say, ?Wow, what a load of horseshit.?
But then there?s this guy. And this guy loves this load of horseshit. Why? Well, really, who knows? What possesses someone to love a load of horseshit? It?s beyond your understanding and possibly you don?t actually want to know, even if you could know; maybe it?s one of those ?on that path lies madness? things. But love it he does, and he?s not the only one; the admiration for this particular load of horseshit exists, unaccountably, far and wide. There are advocates for this load of horseshit.
And so this guy who loves this load of horseshit decides that he?s going to do something; he?s going to give it a home. And not just any home, because as this is no ordinary load of horseshit, so must its home be no ordinary repository for horseshit. And so the fellow builds a temple for his load of horseshit. The finest architects scope this temple?s dimensions; the most excellent builders hoist columns around the load of horseshit and cap them with a cunning and elegant dome; and every surface of the temple is clad in fine-grained Italian marble by the most competent masons in a three-state radius. The load of horseshit is surrounded by comfortable seats, the better for people to gaze upon it; docents are hired to expertly describe its history and features; multimedia events are designed to explain its superior nature, relative not only to other loads of horseshit which may compete in loadosity or horseshittery, but to other, completely unrelated things which may or may not be loads of anything, much less loads of horseshit.
The guy who built the temple, satisfied that it truly represents his beloved load of horseshit in the best possible light, then opens the temple to the public, to attract not only the already-established horseshit enthusiasts, but possibly to entice new people to come and gaze on the horseshit, and to, well, who knows, admire its moundyness, or the way it piles just so, to nod in appreciation of the rationalizations for its excellence or to clap in delight and take pictures when an escaping swell of methane causes the load of horseshit to sigh a moist and pungent sigh.
When all of this is done, the fellow turns to you and asks you what you think of it all now, now that this gorgeous edifice has been raised in glory and the masses cluster in celebration.
And you say, ?Well, that?s all very nice. But it?s still just an enormous load of horseshit!!!!!!!!!!
Go Browns!!!
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That was a bad call at the end no doubt, but so were a couple other calls that the Browns benefited from.
With four turnovers, several dropped balls and other mental mistakes, and a buttload of dumb penalties, the Browns did not deserve to win that game. The defense did well to hold the Cardinals to a FG on their last drive, but a REAL defense wouldn't have let it get to that point. A real defense would have come up with a three-and-out at a time like that when the could give their offense a chance to win the game. The stop at the goalline was nice, but it kind of masks the fact that they let them cram the ball right down their throats to get there.
With four turnovers, several dropped balls and other mental mistakes, and a buttload of dumb penalties, the Browns did not deserve to win that game. The defense did well to hold the Cardinals to a FG on their last drive, but a REAL defense wouldn't have let it get to that point. A real defense would have come up with a three-and-out at a time like that when the could give their offense a chance to win the game. The stop at the goalline was nice, but it kind of masks the fact that they let them cram the ball right down their throats to get there.
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