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Bonds vs. Rose

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Whose commited the more egregious act?

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    • Whose committed the more egregious act in your opinion?

    Rose betting on baseball or Bonds "allegedly" taking steroids and making a sham of the most hallowed record in American sports?
     
    I voted 'Rose', but not necessarily because of the 'harm' he caused the game of Baseball; moreso because I love the Reds, and the Big Red Machine, and grew up a HUGE Pete Rose fan...and that arrogant ass tainted MY memories! I have similar feelings for MoC... (that dip-shit) I wanted to give both the benefit of the doubt, or at least hoped beyond hope that they 'figured it out' and started behaving in a reasonable manner, and neither ever did...and I have a very hard time tolerating utter stupidity.

    Barry Bonds? I just don't give two shakes of a rats ass about (or much about Baseball in general now-a-days)

    So it's Pete, but for my own personal reasons...because he made me care, and then ripped my heart out :sob: :tongue2:

    ...Ass :mad1:


    P.S.

    I think both broke the rules, and both are jerks. But I believe both belong in the Hall of Fame.
     
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    Let me preface this by saying that I believe that Bonds knowingly took steroids, its unforgiveable, and that he's also a first class jackass.

    Having said that, I think the answer is Rose every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    Bonds didn't even break a rule.. or... at least... didn't break a rule that was enforced in any way.

    Not condoning what Bonds or anyone else did... but... to some degree baseball as a whole is complicit in this recored being broken. Its a convergence of Bonds undeniable talent... and in "Baseballs" desire to generate fan interest after the 94 strike... (You can add Juiced ball to this list)... there was an interest in generating offense and a desire to look the other way at the use of performance enhancing substances (McGwire told everyone flat out he used Andro) , the Union wanted to have no testing at all, and there was in my opinion a bit of a smaller strike zone for some time... at any rate... (There are an awful lot of good pitchers out there all of the sudden)

    The standoffishness of Selig during this whole thing always amused me, because I felt like he had as big a part as anyone in creating the conditions for this to happen the way it did.

    Of course... if he hadn't been so injured, Griffey Jr. Might have been knocking on the door pretty soon here, and A-Rod... well.. is in good position to pass Bonds... so... whatever... I tend to think this number doesn't stand long.
     
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    AKAKBUCK;899564; said:
    Let me preface this by saying that I believe that Bonds knowingly took steroids, its unforgiveable, and that he's also a first class jackass.

    Having said that, I think the answer is Rose every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    Bonds didn't even break a rule.. or... at least... didn't break a rule that was enforced in any way.
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    If you believe he knowingly took steroids (as I also do), didn't he break the law?

    I voted for Bonds.

    If Rose had been caught a couple of years later he would have already been in the Hall. And I don't think his offenses are any worse than Ty Cobb, an original HOF'er, who was believed by a teammate to have fixed games he played in.
     
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    .............................................................Rose, he violated the "#1 cardinal sin of baseball", he bet on it.
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    BB73;899589; said:
    If you believe he knowingly took steroids (as I also do), didn't he break the law?

    I voted for Bonds.

    If Rose had been caught a couple of years later he would have already been in the Hall. And I don't think his offenses are any worse than Ty Cobb, an original HOF'er, who was believed by a teammate to have fixed games he played in.
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    Your point on law breaking is valid...my understanding is that Rose wasn't exaclty flying to Vegas to bet on the games... so... I'm assuming his bookie wasn't exactly above board, here... not sure that's apples to apples... but... seems like they both broke the "law"-- and one violated the rules of baseball while the other didn't.

    That's not my point though, really... and... Bonds is a slimebag.... no doubt, but... in Rose's case its pretty cut and dry... in Bond's case... I have a problem with the idea that they should punish him retroactively for something that they didn't have a rule for. I mean.. even now.. I think they have a 3 positive test = lifetime ban rule. If they are going to enforce it based on testing... then... if there was no testing... he's off the hook, as shitty as that is.

    As for Cobb... if there was proof he fixed games... yank him out of the hall... no problem here.
     
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    Hell, androstenedione was even sold in military exchanges until 1999 or 2000 (if not later), so I have no problems whatsoever with those who used it or other similar "supplements" prior to their banning.

    What Bonds did affected himself...what Rose did affected the whole of baseball.
     
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    I do not like bonds for several resons, but by betting on and possibly altering outcomes of games you are affecting numerous people. Bonds who's actions may have effected others, primarily affected himself.
    That is one of the most disturbing pictures I have ever seen.
     
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