2:07 mark of the GBW mallett video, the rollout, clearly not very good footspeed. his mechanics aren't awful, but he does occasionally throw like VY (2:24).
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I noticed you conveniently left out our four sacks of Navarre in 2002 and our three sacks of him in 2001. Even though we got only one sack in 2004, the pressure on Henne was sufficient to hold him to exactly 50% completion and a paltry 6.1 yards per attempt. Same thing last year, when our pressure held him to 6.0 yards per attempt. Oh yeah, four wins and one loss. I would venture to say that your lack of mobility at QB may have played somewhat of a factor in those four losses...
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crazybuckfan40
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You also can tell by his video that he is not getting pressured, and on his roll outs he looks like he is moving in slow motion as some d-lineman look like they are catching him. I have no problem with a pocket QB, but it can be a disadvantage at times.
I agree he has a cannon, but you can tell that half of his throws are not hard throws to make. I mean the film that GBW just put up, his first clips were screen plays. That just goes to show that alot of his throws are short passes and alot of the other passes are to wide open receivers. I really think that his receiver Joseph Anderson has d-I ability. He is able to take a short pass and make it in to a big play. I also am not sure on his footwork, some of it looks pretty unorthodox at times. I do like the way he is able to seel the fake tho.
I understand what you are saying, but when you put a guy that isnt going to take off and run you are able to blitz and not worry about the QB sneaking out the back door, and you are also able to try and the DE is able to use a spin move to the inside, b/c he doesnt have to really keep outside contain like he would have to on a QB that can run.
My main question is how is he going to do when he gets smacked in the mouth.
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So the coach sent you his 'real game tape'? Or are you referring to the film sent out that features only his completions?
Have you seen 'real game film' on all of the other QBs you've mentioned? (Bostick, Devlin, etc0
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Cwood24
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I am referring to a tape that shows roughly 112 (by my count) of his reported 133 completions from his junior season. That is a tad bit more than highlight film, which is usually just a few clips of all of a kids touchdown passes or touchdown runs. Ok, so maybe it's technically not game-tape, but it's a heck of alot more film than the 5 20-second clips you'll see at Rivals and off of that base your judgement that he cannot move at all unless he's in a wheelchair. In my opinion his footspeed has been greatly over-played and exaggerated on this board for the simple fact that he's going to Michigan.
I haven't seen nearly as much film on Devlin or Bostick, because it's just not as easily available to me. I also trust some peoples evaluations of Bostick, and more than one non-Michigan guy has said that Bostick did not look very good at any of the camps they saw him at this spring, and specifically noted that at the Elite Combine in Jersey that he kept underthrowing guys deep and that his arm couldn't keep up with Clemons' or Little's speed and that he couldn't get them the ball deep.
As for Mallett, the kid is a pure stud and has the best arm in the country. Not only does the kid have a heater but he also has great touch and accuracy. On one play I saw the kid throw the ball off his backfoot and flip it 57 yards downfield and 30-some yards across the field with the flick of a wrist and with pin point accuracy dropping it right over his receivers shoulder so he could catch in stride. You won't see too many kids in high school be able to do that. So when people say this kid is just a strong arm, nah-uh, he knows how to use the different gears on his arm. He throws with touch and he throws an accurate ball- especially on the deep ball. You won't find a kid out there in this class who can throw a better deep ball than him. Not only can he throw his deep ball further than probably anybody, but he can get more air under it and better trajectory on it, and he can probably throw it more accurately than anybody. Mallett puts the ball wherever he wants it on deep passes, he can make it rain from anywhere.
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Tom raved about these 112 completions. Isn't that what is being broken down into the series of GBW videos that many of us can also watch? Either way, neither of us has seen game film. It's clear he can throw a great ball during his lengthy highlight reel, I want to see what happens when things break down.
how many ways can you say 'he throws a great deep ball' in one paragraph?
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...and it is my opinion that you are blinded by your loyalty and getting worked up over an obvious weakness in the kid. Kid is a player...but he is not mobile.
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crazybuckfan40
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Grad is is getting to the fact of beating a dead horse, Notre Dame received a committ from John Elway and Michigan received a committ from Joe Montana.
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BretGoBlue
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Ryan Mallett
GBW just posted part IV of the Ryan Mallett video. I would check it out. It's got a lot of very nice plays. You get to see him a little bit more when things breakdown. A few more passes on the run. His arm strength is the best I've seen in years. In the new video he has a 57 yard pass, in the air, while on the run from a defensive lineman.
I'm not going to get into where he should be rated, but I'm happy he'll be at U-M and that's good enough for me.
GBW just posted part IV of the Ryan Mallett video. I would check it out. It's got a lot of very nice plays. You get to see him a little bit more when things breakdown. A few more passes on the run. His arm strength is the best I've seen in years. In the new video he has a 57 yard pass, in the air, while on the run from a defensive lineman.
I'm not going to get into where he should be rated, but I'm happy he'll be at U-M and that's good enough for me.
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saw it earlier today, definitely a great passer, but his mobility is still lacking.
0:30, 1:25, 2:30 suggests to me he's gonna have a lot of trouble with rushers who aren't slow/weak like these guys.
His arm is very impressive, no doubt about that. #4 has me drooling as well (anderson), he must have grade issues to not be a well-known prospect.
After checking with a number of texas fans, texarkana's district has been weak for 3-4 years and probably will be this year as well. Even more reason to hope that Findlay brings a tough team, to test this gunslinger.
0:30, 1:25, 2:30 suggests to me he's gonna have a lot of trouble with rushers who aren't slow/weak like these guys.
His arm is very impressive, no doubt about that. #4 has me drooling as well (anderson), he must have grade issues to not be a well-known prospect.
After checking with a number of texas fans, texarkana's district has been weak for 3-4 years and probably will be this year as well. Even more reason to hope that Findlay brings a tough team, to test this gunslinger.
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Cwood24
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I never argued with anybody over wether or not the guy was a Mike Vick, a Vince Young, a Troy Smith, or even a Drew Stanton when it comes to mobility. However, I did and still do think that people comparing his speed to Johh Navarre are off-base. The only comparisons I can see to Navarre are that they are both really tall and affiliated with Michigan football. That's it. Mallett isn't the most mobile QB you'll find in this class and he's nothing like Vick, Young, or any of the mobile QB's in todays game, but in my estimation he's the best pure passer in the nation. There isn't another kid in the country who has the arm that he has and who can make the throws that he can. His lack of mobility is being overplayed on this board in particular. The kid can move outside of the pocket and throw on the roll, and he shows very good footwork. The kid also shows an incredible pocket presence. The way in which he side steps to the left and right or steps up into the pocket to get that extra second to get his throw off is very Tom Brady-esque. He also shows on his clips that he can fling the ball 50 yards downfield fairly accurately with defenders drapped on his body or right in his face. He's a real big, real strong kid, afterall he is like 6-6/6-7, 230-235 pounds.
Texarkana's district is not that weak jwinslow, and Texas HS plays some top out of state schools. Last year he lead his team to a blow-out victory of Louisiana football power Evangel Christian of Shrevport, home of former superstar QB recruits Brock Berlin and Josh and John Booty. Mallett plays in the second biggest classification in Texas, 4A. The classifications are based purely on enrollment, so don't think just because his team is 4A that it means that they are not better than some 5A teams. There is not a whole lot of drop off from the elite teams in 5A and 4A in states like Florida or Texas. Most of the 4A football powers are a few kids away from gaining 5A status. In fact, schools do move up or down in class when realignment occurs every other year. Just look at Stafford's Highland Park team, who Texas High lost to last year in the playoffs in a game that went down to the wire. That team probably could've taken any 5A team in the state. The competition Mallett has faced over his last 2 years as a full-time starter and will face again next year, puts most other QB's in this class to shame. Definetly has a major advantage when it comes to competition in comparison to Clausen, Brantley, and Paulus, who all play bottom of the barrell competition, and the competition he faces is better than anything in Michigan and alot of stuff in Ohio.
I agree with you on that receiver, #4, Joe Anderson. The kid looks like a really good receiver, but he might be a bit on the small side. Can't really tell from the tape, but my guess is he looks right around 6-ft or a tick under 6-ft. He's a good looking player though, kid certainly can catch the ball and get open.
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You can't throw from your back...period.
You must not read many of the national boards then...every discussion on top QBs involves a number of people saying Mallett is a statue...and Michigan fans whining and crying that he is the second coming.
Wow. He should meet Chuck Norris.
This thread has gone to pathetic...such potential has turned into absolute BS.
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crazybuckfan40
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We understand your man crush for Mr. Mallet, we all know he is the second coming. We just don't have to have the same opinion as you.
As for you saying no QB in the country can do the same things, go look at Korn's videos, and that kid can actually pull the ball down and run.
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not my words, taken directly from local texans who know the area well(michiganrules1?) said:
- Texerkanas district is very weak at the moment. The district has been weak for the past 3-4 years if not longer. It will also be weak this year from what i see
- The guy has a rocket arm, the 4 times i have watched him play he tends to throw the ball so hard on the short out routes that it just goes right through the receivers
hands.
He needs to work on the touch passes but as i said, he has a BIG arm.
- As for his level of competition he faces. The comment made by one that the Texas High team can compete with all the 5A schools in the state except the elite of that division. Texas High is among the top 5 teams in their classification over the last 5 years. Their district is average for 4A and they dominate their district. Because of their geographical location they struggle to find competition in the non-district portion of their schedule. They will play Findley Ohio in Cincinnatti in the Fall and Evangel from Shreveport which is a solid team but a shadow of its former self.
that's nice... how often are the 'top out of state schools' featured on these highlights?
When we point out his lack of mobility, you hijack the conversation back to how great Mallett's arm is (wonderful, that's not in question, outside of some small concerns over his mechanics) or throw out something extreme like 'yes he's not troy smith' (which is also not relevant).
Your original claim:
Well on it Mallett shows very good pocket awareness and he has an innate ability to just feel the rush and side step to his left or right to buy time or step up into the pocket to get his throw off.
the few times a defender breaks free behind the line (0:30, 1:25, 2:30), Mallett does not escape them very well at all. And these are the highlights.
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Highlights are just that...highlights. If internet fans can gleam from highlight reels that a kid is not very mobile, imagine how immobile the kid is in the rest of his plays. Navarre was highly-regarded, yet went 1-2 against us and in bowl games. Henne was even more highly-regarded and is 0-2 against us and in bowl games. Neither of those two can avoid his grandma in her Rascal. If you, and other Michigan fans, want to keep thinking that QB mobility isn't all that important, then I hope the Michigan staff keeps thinking that way, too...
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