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Bill Snyder (HC Kansas State Wildcats)

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AKAKBUCK said:
Another good one... probably do need to cut these down to modern times or else someone is going to point out how bad Michigan sucked before Francis Schmidt got there...

And of course, by "before" I mean before, since, now and forever.
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Francis A Schmidt coached at Ohio State in the 30s ... the originator of the 'Gold Pants.' :roll2:
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Schmidt didn't coach at Michigan, you yutz.
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See... that's what I get deleting the wrong name after I changed the structure of it from:

"Another good one... probably do need to cut these down to modern times or else someone is going to point out how bad Michigan sucked before Fritz Crisler (other than Francis Schmidt kicking his ass) got there... "

But my fear was that they didn't coach against each other or something... and getting hazed for that.... ("I was saying something about 'best intentions'")

Bring on the whoopings.:wink2:
 
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AKAKBUCK said:
See... that's what I get deleting the wrong name after I changed the structure of it from:

"Another good one... probably do need to cut these down to modern times or else someone is going to point out how bad Michigan sucked before Fritz Crisler (other than Francis Schmidt kicking his ass) got there... "

But my fear was that they didn't coach against each other or something... and getting hazed for that.... ("I was saying something about 'best intentions'")

Bring on the whoopings.:wink2:
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Nice recovery. :biggrin:
 
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From Jerry Brondfield's Woody Hayes and the 100-Yard War

He also had a genius for offensive football. In his first year at Ohio State he stunned the opposition by displaying - in the same game - the single wing, double wing, short punt and, for the first time ever seen, the I-formation. He used reverses, double reverses and spinners, and his Buckeyes of the mid-thirties were the most lateral-pass conscience team anyone had ever witnessed. He threw laterals, and then laterals off of laterals downfield, and it was not unusual for three men to handle the ball behind the line of scrimmage.

In his first two years he got touchdowns in such bunches that Ohio State immediately was dubbed The Scarlet Scourge, and Francis the First was known as "Close-the-Gates-of-Mercy" Schmidt.
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BayBuck said:
In the 5 years before he took over, UW went 14-42 (1-10 in '88, 2-9 in '89) and in his 4th year he got his first of three Rose Bowl wins. Wisky may not have had the longterm futility that KSU did over their history, but the Badgers were literally the worst team in the nation before Alvarez became head coach.
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14-42 is a shit-load better than 4-50-1 over those exact same five years. Wisconsin was not the worst team in college football at the time, Kansas State was.
 
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For comparison purposes.

FSU all-time before Bowden (29 years) - .534
FSU all-time under Bowden (30 years) - .793

Miami all-time before Schnellenberger (51 years) - .536
Miami all-time under Schnellenberger ( 5 years) - .719

Those 2 were actually winning programs (barely). That's a far cry from the .265 that Kansas St. had from 1936 to 1988. But the guys in the Sunshine state did get NC's. Obviously the advantage of "Florida speed." :tongue2:
 
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There's no doubt it was a great turnaround, but I wonder how neutral (unbiased) history will judge Bill Snyder in the grand scheme. He won a lot of games scheduling horrible teams, he lost a few games (Texas A&M and Purdue come to mind) that were huge upsets and once his big run of pillaging junior colleges ended, he hasn't been able to sustain the success he once had the last couple of years, and the program seems somewhat plateaued right now. I won't bust on the guy, because he worked himself to the bone and certainly when he won the Big XII title, he did something no one would have ever thought possible. Still, it appears as if KSU will take a while before they get back to the upper echelon again...if they ever do.

All that said, for those of us old enough to remember how awful KSU was before he got there, hats certainly have to go off to him, because he did a hell of a job.
 
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