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Big Ten and the Spread offense

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cincibuck;1125573; said:
It seems to me that you run the spread for two reasons:

1. You don't have the talent the other guy has so you spread him out, hope that he hasn't had time to practice for this game because his "big" games are with non spread teams.... makes perfect sense.

2. You have a unique athlete and you want the ball in his hands as often as possible. Texas with VY, WVU with Pat White, Oregon with Dennis Dixon, OSU with Teddy Ginn and Troy's junior year.

If the talent can throw the ball at all it makes the offense just that much more effective and the great thing is that your most talented player touches the ball every play. If he's a game breaker like VY, Pat White, Dixon, or Ginn you have that many more shots at taking it all the way on any given play.

Something tells me that we're going to see some spread at OSU the next couple of years. It may not be the primary line up, but you can bet it will be in there simply because TP can score from anywhere on the field. It ain't like Tressel hasn't seen the spread or used it before.
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We'll run the spread to give the offense a new look and to take advantage of TP's athletic ability. I agree it won't be the primary offense. The spread will offer some unique opportunities for our WRs. I see TB passing as before from the pocket, as he seldom runs. Give Beanie and Zoom the ball and run it up the gut. Mix it up.

Enter the spread offense, on occasion with TP or Henton in the game won't opposing D's be looking for an option run with these guys at QB? I say we set them up to think there going to run, and pass it to a wide open Dane Sanzenbacher. (I picked Dane as my go to guy in this line up but try any WR and let's see how each one does running the same route.) Same route but with a different receiver next time, alternate receivers, and run the same play.

We pass on an option this time to Zoom as the DBs are drawn deep as he sprints down the sideline uncovered. Speed and the spread will KILL this year. Defenses will have fits with this IMO. So, the spread may not prepare QBs for the next level, but they just might win a few "big games" in the CFB world.

I'm really looking forward to seeing this evolve this year.
 
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Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel won't say so, but the visits his assistants made this spring indicate that they are preparing for new Michigan coach Rich Rodriguez and his spread offense.
South Florida and Rutgers were among the schools Ohio State coaches visited, Big East members that used to get an annual look at Rodriguez's West Virginia teams. South Florida beat the Mountaineers the past two seasons, and Rutgers lost to them in a dramatic 41-39 triple-overtime game two years ago.
Asked about the visits, Tressel noted only that the Buckeyes have six teams on the schedule that run some form of the spread.
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Spread/West Coast Offense Brand vs Generic Call it what you want it. Next to SEC speed it is the biggest bunch of crap going on in college football and making coaches like RR seem more intelligent. It starts with execution and making plays. The more diversified you can be with your offense and defense is great because it makes it so much harder to prepare. Still 10 yards for a first down. JT and company have a chance to take this to a new level. I magine having Beanie and Todd with full back on the first play and then do hurry up and run TP and Saine out the next play. Take the run from Michigan this year and make them beat you with an unproven QB pass with Jenkins waiting. My only concern is having let downs against inferior opponents.
 
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CONGERSBUCKEYE;1126245; said:
making coaches like RR seem more intelligent.
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No, that's just happening because as much as you OSU fans want to poke fun at Rodriguez, the fact still remains that he can coach. You don't go 104-62-2 by being a complete dumbass. He's won four Big East titles (granted, it's not the best conference, but in those years he won there were some pretty good teams), been to 2 BCS bowls, and his "biggest bunch of crap" is statistically backed up. Let's look at the years at WVU when he finally got his offense implemented with players that were well-suited for it.

West Virginia '07: #3 in rush offense 297.23 ypg, #1 in rush ypc 6.15 ypc, #9 scoring offense 39.6 ppg
West Virginia '06: #2 in rush offense 303.00 ypg, #1 in rush ypc 6.68 ypc, #3 scoring offense 38.8 ppg
West Virginia '05: #4 in rush offense 272.42 ypg, #11 in rush ypc 5.23 ypc, #31 scoring offense 32.1 ppg
West Virginia '04: #7 in rush offense 252.83 ypg, #10 in rush ypc 5.14 ypc, #29 scoring offense 30.1 ppg
 
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Northwestern's version is the most fun for me to watch.
A run first version by design. Brilliant! :biggrin:
I could see OSU using that design, but I don't think the coaches will go completely that direction.
 
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SNIPER26;1126267; said:
West Virginia '07: #3 in rush offense 297.23 ypg, #1 in rush ypc 6.15 ypc, #9 scoring offense 39.6 ppg
West Virginia '06: #2 in rush offense 303.00 ypg, #1 in rush ypc 6.68 ypc, #3 scoring offense 38.8 ppg
West Virginia '05: #4 in rush offense 272.42 ypg, #11 in rush ypc 5.23 ypc, #31 scoring offense 32.1 ppg
West Virginia '04: #7 in rush offense 252.83 ypg, #10 in rush ypc 5.14 ypc, #29 scoring offense 30.1 ppg
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#3... #2.... #4....... #7......

Baseline.. up.. down.. down again....

See a trend? Just kidding, it's not really enough info to make such a conclusion, just sayin... same stats can stand for the complete opposite conclusions if we want them too.

True, RRs version of the spread can move the football. I don't think there is any disputing that.
 
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Can someone show us the defensive statistics from those WVU golden years?
2007 they only gave up 18 a game, that is good. But, they lost in a very embarrassing way. To a team that they should have rolled.
 
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More on stats and trends.....

07 WVU Passing game: 159 - BE 8th, 115th nationally
06 WVU Passing game: 158.4 BE 6th, 100th nationally
05 WVU Passing game: 116.5 BE 8th, 117th nationally
04 WVU Passing game: 166.1 BE 8th, 104th nationally.

Considering that the Rush offense is so good, these numbers aren't shocking. Likewise, just understanding RRs version of the spead, this should be expected. However, it's pretty clear that if you shut down the running game (or even just slow it up enough) the RR offense comes to a complete halt.
 
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Taosman;1126273; said:
Can someone show us the defensive statistics from those WVU golden years?
2007 they only gave up 18 a game, that is good. But, they lost in a very embarrassing way. To a team that they should have rolled.
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2007 Total: 291 Run: 107.6 Pass: 184.3 Pts: 17.3
2006 Total: 324.2 Run: 87.8 Pass: 236.4 Pts: 20.6
2005 Total: 293.5 Run: 99.3 Pass: 194.2 Pts: 16.3
2004 Total: 328.5 Run: 126.5 Pass: 202 Pts: 19.6

I'd say that shows a consitently good, but never great Defense which looks to stop the run first and has fair success at doing so.
 
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SNIPER26;1126267; said:
No, that's just happening because as much as you OSU fans want to poke fun at Rodriguez, the fact still remains that he can coach. You don't go 104-62-2 by being a complete dumbass. He's won four Big East titles (granted, it's not the best conference, but in those years he won there were some pretty good teams), been to 2 BCS bowls, and his "biggest bunch of crap" is statistically backed up. Let's look at the years at WVU when he finally got his offense implemented with players that were well-suited for it.

West Virginia '07: #3 in rush offense 297.23 ypg, #1 in rush ypc 6.15 ypc, #9 scoring offense 39.6 ppg
West Virginia '06: #2 in rush offense 303.00 ypg, #1 in rush ypc 6.68 ypc, #3 scoring offense 38.8 ppg
West Virginia '05: #4 in rush offense 272.42 ypg, #11 in rush ypc 5.23 ypc, #31 scoring offense 32.1 ppg
West Virginia '04: #7 in rush offense 252.83 ypg, #10 in rush ypc 5.14 ypc, #29 scoring offense 30.1 ppg
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I do not believe I said he was dumb and clearly a nice record. What I said is it is giving coaches like RR more credit for coming up with something so innovative and setting a trend. I would argue that in 06 and 07 he recruited players that could execute and make plays. I am not sure what the stats are for Defenses in the Big East compared to the Big Ten. Louisville and Rutgers are not power house defenses. I am excited to see this new wave hit the Big Ten now that Michigan is doing it. It better work or the kool aide everyone is drinking will be sour milk. Just thankful it is UM's problem and not OSU.
 
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